lordstanley Posted January 11 Author Posted January 11 Petr Mrazek in net for the Hawks tonight. He has actually done very well for a 5th round pick. He has never been a star and is on his 5th team, but 414 games and lasting 12 seasons is not too shabby. Quote
lordstanley Posted January 11 Author Posted January 11 Quick lead from DeBrincat, a former Hawk. Quote
lordstanley Posted January 11 Author Posted January 11 6 in a row! 3 point night for Kane, Wings win 5-3. Quote
Jason_R Posted January 11 Posted January 11 25 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I guess they needed a new coach. Man, this winning streak really puts the L in Lalonde. He will never get another head coaching gig. 1 Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted January 11 Posted January 11 Haven't been able to watch much, but what exactly is The Toddfather doing? Is it just a case of letting them play a little looser? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said: Haven't been able to watch much, but what exactly is The Toddfather doing? Is it just a case of letting them play a little looser? Imagine that Lalonde had said to his players "Every time you are about to make a pass, forecheck, or take a shot, you are to freeze and count "one mississippi, two mississippi, and *then* do it". And McLellan came in and said, "forget all that" and it would pretty much capture it. Of course that is isn't what happened, but it is what *looked* like happened. More specifically I can take a guess at one specific thing which probably is directly tied to coaching scheme - which is that under Lalonde, the Wings *never* reversed the puck to keep possession - it was always straight ahead whether there was anything there or not. Now the wings better skaters like Edvinssion, Seider, Raymon, Larkin, Kane, are using their skating talent, reversing the puck to get their break outs organized, and amazingly enough, the team's passing, puck possession and facility at breaking the other team's forecheck has improved by leaps and bounds. They suddenly don't look like a poor skating hockey team anymore. I don't know if they are all just on a high and will not be able to keep this pace of play up, but so far so good. Edited January 11 by gehringer_2 Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted January 11 Posted January 11 10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Imagine that Lalonde had said to his players "Every time you are about to make a pass, forecheck, or take a shot, you are to freeze and count "one mississippi, two mississippi, and *then* do it". And McLellan came in and said, "forget all that" and it would pretty much capture it. Of course that is isn't what happened, but it is what *looked* like happened. More specifically I can take a guess at one specific thing which probably is directly tied to coaching scheme - which is that under Lalonde, the Wings *never* reversed the puck to keep possession - it was always straight ahead whether there was anything there or not. Now the wings better skaters like Edvinssion, Seider, Raymon, Larkin, Kane, are using their skating talent, reversing the puck to get their break outs organized, and amazingly enough, the team's passing, puck possession and facility at breaking the other team's forecheck has improved by leaps and bounds. They suddenly don't look like a poor skating hockey team anymore. I don't know if they are all just on a high and will not be able to keep this pace of play up, but so far so good. Watching highlights - this is a different team. They have way more jump. They are going into the corners more. They seem to enjoy playing hockey again. Granted, the BlackHawks are awful, but still, the Wings haven't had this jump since the end of last season. Maybe ToddFather is just letting them have fun again. Quote
buddha Posted January 11 Posted January 11 theyre playing harder. it also looks like theyre shooting more and reducing the level of other team's quality shots from the center. they also seem to be keeping possession better. under lalonde - especially if they had a lead - they would just dump the puck and retreat, playing defense to just hold on. they dont appear to be doing that any more. its also puck luck. 4 posts against winnipeg! kane began his resurgence under lalonde but it has really picked up now. they now have two lines that can score. the underlying numbers are better than before, but not a TON better. Quote
buddha Posted January 11 Posted January 11 what would you trade for dylan couzens? asp? danielson? kasper? a first round pick? it will likely take some combination of the above to get him. you'd have to get copp or compher into the deal too to make salary room. maybe stretch husso at the same time. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted January 11 Posted January 11 What version of Couzens are we getting? The 22-23 version that scored 68 points or last year's version that had 47 points? He seems to be on pace this season for the 47 points he got last year, or maybe even fall below that. I'd offer them a 1st and see what they say. I don't see Yzerman giving up Danielson for him. Quote
buddha Posted January 11 Posted January 11 11 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: What version of Couzens are we getting? The 22-23 version that scored 68 points or last year's version that had 47 points? He seems to be on pace this season for the 47 points he got last year, or maybe even fall below that. I'd offer them a 1st and see what they say. I don't see Yzerman giving up Danielson for him. you have to trade salary too. the wings are almost capped out. Quote
buddha Posted January 11 Posted January 11 and you wont get couzens for just a first and andrew copp. he's a second line center that can score in the nhl. those dont grow on trees. its more valuable than debrincat was, imo. and they got a discount on debrincat because he was going to walk after the season and wanted to go to detroit. debrincat cost a first, a middling prospect, and veteran filler. couzens likely costs a first, a prospect ready to contribute now, and filler. kasper is the most likely to be dealt if any deal goes through. Quote
lordstanley Posted January 11 Author Posted January 11 Players’ stats after 41 games, the halfway point of the season. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 1 hour ago, buddha said: theyre playing harder. it also looks like theyre shooting more and reducing the level of other team's quality shots from the center. they also seem to be keeping possession better. under lalonde - especially if they had a lead - they would just dump the puck and retreat, playing defense to just hold on. they dont appear to be doing that any more. its also puck luck. 4 posts against winnipeg! kane began his resurgence under lalonde but it has really picked up now. they now have two lines that can score. the underlying numbers are better than before, but not a TON better. I think splitting Seider and Edvinsson was important. I thought from the beginning that was a mistake by Lalonde. Having at least one defender that can hit and handle the puck in the ice for 45 minutes is way more valuable than having two on the ice for 23. And with Chiarot on the 3rd pair you have a player with some size/grit on each pair. The decision that I think is going to be interesting is when Petry is ready. Johanssen makes some mistakes but he plays faster and harder than Petry. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted January 11 Posted January 11 1 hour ago, buddha said: and you wont get couzens for just a first and andrew copp. he's a second line center that can score in the nhl. those dont grow on trees. its more valuable than debrincat was, imo. and they got a discount on debrincat because he was going to walk after the season and wanted to go to detroit. debrincat cost a first, a middling prospect, and veteran filler. couzens likely costs a first, a prospect ready to contribute now, and filler. kasper is the most likely to be dealt if any deal goes through. So Couzens for a 1st + Kasper + a mid-level prospect + their willing to take on the expiring contract of Petry? Quote
Jason_R Posted January 11 Posted January 11 23 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I think splitting Seider and Edvinsson was important. I thought from the beginning that was a mistake by Lalonde. Having at least one defender that can hit and handle the puck in the ice for 45 minutes is way more valuable than having two on the ice for 23. And with Chiarot on the 3rd pair you have a player with some size/grit on each pair. The decision that I think is going to be interesting is when Petry is ready. Johanssen makes some mistakes but he plays faster and harder than Petry. Yes and yes, but everybody is playing faster and harder under McClellan. This is no defense of Petry, but an indictment of the coaching malpractice that dragged every player down under the old regime. Quote
lordstanley Posted January 11 Author Posted January 11 43 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: So Couzens for a 1st + Kasper + a mid-level prospect + they’re willing to take on the expiring contract of Petry? I’d give them 1st + Danielson + another prospect. Quote
lordstanley Posted January 11 Author Posted January 11 The Wings have yet to be outshot in a game in their 7 games under McLellan. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 10 minutes ago, lordstanley said: The Wings have yet to be outshot in a game in their 7 games under McLellan. I've never been that big believer in the value of offensive SOG, if a team controls the puck and works for grade A chances as compared to making dump-ins at the goalie (e.g.), I don't have a problem with that, but defensive SOG against volume is a pretty good marker for the opposition's quality time advantage in your zone, and they were definitely too high. Quote
buddha Posted January 11 Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: So Couzens for a 1st + Kasper + a mid-level prospect + their willing to take on the expiring contract of Petry? petry wont cut it salary wise. it will have to be copp or compher. otherwise the wings wont have space to fit couzens in without some other manuever like ltir'ing husso. which they may not want to do. Quote
buddha Posted January 11 Posted January 11 40 minutes ago, lordstanley said: I’d give them 1st + Danielson + another prospect. plus copp? that's a big price to pay but it will probably be necessary. wings wont be the only team bidding. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 5 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: What version of Couzens are we getting? The 22-23 version that scored 68 points or last year's version that had 47 points? He seems to be on pace this season for the 47 points he got last year, or maybe even fall below that. I'd offer them a 1st and see what they say. I don't see Yzerman giving up Danielson for him. This. Good size and RH shot (always nice) but the 68 does look more like the outlier than the career norm - Of course the team around him played better that year. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted January 11 Posted January 11 4 hours ago, buddha said: plus copp? that's a big price to pay but it will probably be necessary. wings wont be the only team bidding. I know Buffalo has been in a perennial rebuild, but would anyone want to take on that Copp contract? Quote
buddha Posted January 12 Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I know Buffalo has been in a perennial rebuild, but would anyone want to take on that Copp contract? the wings cant do the deal without copp or compher or chairot's contract. unless you ltir husso and even that might not do it. buffalo doesnt WANT to rebuild anymore. Quote
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