The 119th United States Congress

[chasfh]

53 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Because Republicans stuck by him. 

Right, but I also think Democrats give him that kind of pass as well, because they are not doing an effective job of leading us to believe any different.

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

Because Republicans stuck by him. 

Are you saying that blind loyalty is a good quality?  

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, Tiger337 said:

Are you saying that blind loyalty is a good quality?  

I'm saying you should be a loyal to your incumbent who was a good president with no scandals. The Dems never supported Biden when he passed legislation, it was always not enough, and they would never acknowledge he was limited by congress. 

[gehringer_2]

Schumer claiming today that his initial stance against the CR was a short term tactic aimed at helping the House dems peal off some votes and stop or modify it there. Even accepting that as true however, his Spidey sense for the harm this backlash is doing his caucus versus how much was accomplished in the House (nada) certainly was a fail. 

[chasfh]

Well, duh … 

 

[chasfh]

And also … 

 

[chasfh]

I’m starting to wonder whether certain Democrats are trying to find a way to save themselves from the coming pogrom. What does history tell us?

[Motown Bombers]

 

[romad1]

6 hours ago, chasfh said:

I’m starting to wonder whether certain Democrats are trying to find a way to save themselves from the coming pogrom. What does history tell us?

my thought is that Schumer is beholden to Wall Street

[Hongbit]

 

Way to bend the knee, coward.   

[Hongbit]

I’m never voting for you again, Gary!  😂

[1984Echoes]

Couldn't they just abstain to change the math calculus and still have Zero Dem "yay's"?

 

 

 

Edited March 15 by 1984Echoes

[romad1]

whoever voted for the cloture is beholden to some interest and not their constituents.

[CMRivdogs]

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows. 

Edited March 16 by CMRivdogs

[HighOPS]

But, did Schumer get to his first promotional event on time?

[pfife]

Im biased but... i do agree with schumer about the shutdown 

But according to every skeet on the ol skyline this evening, some recent interview is pretty bad.  He really doesn't seem like the man for the job right now.

[romad1]

8 hours ago, pfife said:

Im biased but... i do agree with schumer about the shutdown 

But according to every skeet on the ol skyline this evening, some recent interview is pretty bad.  He really doesn't seem like the man for the job right now.

the Dems/the opposition need a wartime consiglieri.   Part of the reason the British and the Americans struggle in the first part of wars but eventually won was the leadership shakeout period.   You have to dump your McClellans and your Fredenhalls or your Noel Irwin to replace them with US Grant, DD Eisenhower or in the latter case with Bill Slim.   

The Dems need to get rid of Sky Marshall Dienes with Sky Marshall Maru.  "To beat the bug you have to understand the bug"

Mere aggression and "can do spirit" won't work.  

[Hongbit]

Tom Hagen wouldn’t have made it more than a hour on Klendathu. 

[mtutiger]

11 hours ago, pfife said:

Im biased but... i do agree with schumer about the shutdown 

But according to every skeet on the ol skyline this evening, some recent interview is pretty bad.  He really doesn't seem like the man for the job right now.

Just threading in for your post in the other thread, I'm torn on what the right move was, but the bigger problem is that he clearly doesn't have the pulse of his caucus. Add on top his latest media tour, he's just clearly not the right voice for this moment.

Honestly not sure who is among Senate Dems, which is the worrying part...

Edited March 19 by mtutiger

[romad1]

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

Tom Hagen wouldn’t have made it more than a hour on Klendathu. 

But how would he have fared at Kohima or Vicksburg? 

[oblong]

Fetterman

 

[Motown Bombers]

Fetterman flirts too much with MAGA. He's the new Sinema. I would probably go with Chris Murphy or Adam Schiff. Murphy tends to get caught up in the reaching out to the white working class.

[pfife]

I think Durbin has the same outlook as Schumer.   Im not sure who it should be either 

[romad1]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

Fetterman flirts too much with MAGA. He's the new Sinema. I would probably go with Chris Murphy or Adam Schiff. Murphy tends to get caught up in the reaching out to the white working class.

I think Murphy is a possible candidate.  He's been on the problem.  

 

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Just threading in for your post in the other thread, I'm torn on what the right move was, but the bigger problem is that he clearly doesn't have the pulse of his caucus. Add on top his latest media tour, he's just clearly not the right voice for this moment.

Honestly not sure who is among Senate Dems, which is the worrying part...

whichever way he went, he should not have changed course. I think the right thing to have done was make no *public* commitment at all while the CR was in the House. All Jeffries needed was the threat/uncertainty to get whatever he was going to get (which in the end was nothing) - I really doubt Schumer making the public commitment made any difference in the House at all. That was the real tactical error. He could have done all the under the table/cloak room signalling he wanted to help Jeffries, then once the CR got to the Senate announced that a shutdown only served Trump and I think he's fine. But you don't get the troops all lined up just to retreat. That fact that he didn't game those scenarios out to the obviously necessary course of action doesn't say much for his ability to be a tactically effective leader. If he can't see around the 1st corner he's going to lose every time.