Trumps Presidency 2025

[gehringer_2]

3 minutes ago, romad1 said:

He's an argument for why merit-driven politicians who know only that they are weak and must fight their way up out of the crab bucket are actually vulnerable and dangerous to rely on.  

The Brits with their upper-class twit model of fancy lads who can quit if they are displeased or dishonored is actually sorta better. 

yeah - Back in an era when noblesse oblige was a thing, you could elect the rich guy because he was harder to bribe.  The problem is that today's rich guys don't want to serve, they just want to get richer.

[Motown Bombers]

Also, why are leftists so interested in white working class voters? The black working class overwhelmingly supports Dems, so what's different about the whites? The white working class supports things like the Laken Riley act, which Slotkin supported, and leftists call her a Republican. 

Edited Wednesday at 06:54 PM by Motown Bombers

[romad1]

10 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

yeah - Back in an era when noblesse oblige was a thing, you could elect the rich guy because he was harder to bribe.  The problem is that today's rich guys don't want to serve, they just want to get richer.

Back then the rich guys had a mutually monitored ethos as you say of noblesse oblige.  These guys are so wacked out on ketamine and pederasty that they think they are above human morality. 

[oblong]

I think they're also richer, relatively speaking.  The Howard Hughes "it makes you crazy" kind of rich.

 

[pfife]

14 hours ago, Hongbit said:

Slotkin hit a home run with the Democratic response.  She absolutely killed it.  

I didnt see either speech but the response rarely if ever hits, so this is good to hear!

[CMRivdogs]

What I'm not seeing with the current crop of billionaires is a willingness to give back to society. Look back thru history and you see Andrew Carnegie with museums and libraries. JD Rockefeller with numerous contributions including Colonial Williamsburg,  The DuPonts, Bill Gates,J Paul Getty, Kellogg Foundation and many more...

Who is doing it today?

[Tigermojo]

15 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

What I'm not seeing with the current crop of billionaires is a willingness to give back to society. Look back thru history and you see Andrew Carnegie with museums and libraries. JD Rockefeller with numerous contributions including Colonial Williamsburg,  The DuPonts, Bill Gates,J Paul Getty, Kellogg Foundation and many more...

Who is doing it today?

They need their money for bunkers with A.I. drone defenses.

[romad1]

30 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

What I'm not seeing with the current crop of billionaires is a willingness to give back to society. Look back thru history and you see Andrew Carnegie with museums and libraries. JD Rockefeller with numerous contributions including Colonial Williamsburg,  The DuPonts, Bill Gates,J Paul Getty, Kellogg Foundation and many more...

Who is doing it today?

Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is a thing. 

[Hongbit]

1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Who exactly are we winning over with that type of praise on Reagan? That's the same kind of failed strategy we just tried last election by trotting out Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger on the campaign trail and hoping there was some moderate base of Republicans sitting around, ready to vote for Democrats. The Republican Party of Reagan is dead and gone. It's a MAGA Party now and fully controlled by Donald Trump. There aren't a magical group of old school, 1980s-style Republicans that Democrats can win over. Those people either don't really exist or have already decided to cross over and become Democrats.

Democrats need to win back over non-college educated, white working class people in the middle who may have voted Biden in 2020 and then Trump again in 2024. Voters who's brains aren't fully rotted out by MAGA. They need to win back over more young men under the age of 35 of all racial makeups. They need to hold down the fort on black men under 50 and stop the erosion of Latino men under 50. Pandering to some yesteryear of Ronald Reagan isn't going to do that with any of those demographic IMO.

Furthermore, if we're concerned about the assault on the federal workforce, let us not forget that started under Reagan. Reagan spent years trashing the federal government and federal employees. He fired air traffic controllers and made millions of Americans believe that nothing good can come out of the federal government. Reagan's rhetoric against federal bureaucrats and bureaucracy is part of the reason we ended up in this mess. 

Sure, there are far too many brainwashed magas that would jump off a roof for him but I can’t believe that number is anywhere close to 77 Million.  

There have to be millions, if not tens of millions that can be swayed.  This will require the Dems to run an electable candidate which they’ve only done once in the last 3. 

[Sports_Freak]

16 minutes ago, Tigermojo said:

They need their money for bunkers with A.I. drone defenses.

And their spaceships to Mars. Starting a new planet ain't cheap, you know. 🤣🤣

[romad1]

Jeff Bezos' ex-wife MacKenzie Scott is also a very good philanthropist.  Jeff Bezos is on the self-obsessed program though.

[romad1]

Just now, Sports_Freak said:

And their spaceships to Mars. Starting a new planet ain't cheap, you know. 🤣🤣

Is it still Mars?  Just move a few letters around and you get...Musk.

[Hongbit]

I could never figure out why so many Billionaires who pledged to give most of their money away still try so hard to avoid paying taxes.  Heck, this is often the reason for the philanthropy in the first place.   

I’d love it if they stopped competing with each other by buying mega yachts and parts of Montana,  and instead posted the check they write to the IRS each year.  That would be a meaningful sign of amazing wealth and power.   

Edited Wednesday at 08:19 PM by Hongbit

[Tigermojo]

8 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

I could never figure out why so many Billionaires who pledged to give most of their money away still try so hard to avoid paying taxes.  Heck, this is often the reason for the philanthropy in the first place.   

I’d love it if they stopped competing with each other by buying mega yachts and parts of Montana,  and instead posted the check they write to the IRS each year.  That would be a meaningful sign of amazing wealth and power.   

It's because the government doesn't know how to spend it properly. Case in point, Donald Trump doesn't know what the hell he is doing.

[CMRivdogs]

32 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is a thing. 

True, they fund a lot of medical research. I guess there are a few out there. Mostly behind the scenes and not monuments to themselves (museums, libraries, historical sites. TBH probably a good thing.

 

[Motown Bombers]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

What I'm not seeing with the current crop of billionaires is a willingness to give back to society. Look back thru history and you see Andrew Carnegie with museums and libraries. JD Rockefeller with numerous contributions including Colonial Williamsburg,  The DuPonts, Bill Gates,J Paul Getty, Kellogg Foundation and many more...

Who is doing it today?

What are you talking about? There is Trump University. 

[CMRivdogs]

Back when America was theoretically great. Take it back to these rates

 

[Motown Bombers]

6 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

True, they fund a lot of medical research. I guess there are a few out there. Mostly behind the scenes and not monuments to themselves (museums, libraries, historical sites. TBH probably a good thing.

 

Bloomberg has given away a lot of money mostly on health and environment. Bloomberg recently pledged $1 billions to Johns Hopkins to make tuition free for student from families making under $300,000 a year. 

[Tiger337]

3 hours ago, ewsieg said:

I don't think you're wrong, but MB isn't either. 

There is a difference about the far left and the far right in each party.  The far right may not think a republican is going far enough, but they will always get in line behind them.  The far left will attempt to humiliate and ostracize their person if they aren't doing everything they want.  Do most come around and still vote for their democrat, yes, but some abstain, some splinter off to the Stein's of the world, and for the rest that still do vote, they have given every independent out there cannon fodder against the dem they are still voting for.

In short, I can understand MB's rant, but it's in part due to the conviction of your far left.  While you don't want it hurting you, not sure you want to try and quell that conviction either. 

What if someone's view are so far left that they don't support either Democrats or Republicans?   For example, there are a lot of people, especially young people, who believe that we are doomed if we don't make drastic changes to combat climate change.  They think that no other issues matter and neither Democrats nor Republicans come close to addressing the issue sufficiently.  Why should they "get in line" when there is no party to line up behind? Regardless of what MB thinks, the Democrats are not entitled to those votes.  Everybody's vote is their own and no party is entitled to it.     

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

What if someone's view are so far left that they don't support either Democrats or Republicans?   For example, there are a lot of people, especially young people, who believe that we are doomed if we don't make drastic changes to combat climate change.  They think that no other issues matter and neither Democrats nor Republicans come close to addressing the issue sufficiently.  Why should they "get in line" when there is no party to line up behind? Regardless of what MB thinks, the Democrats are not entitled to those votes.  Everybody's vote is their own and no party is entitled to it.     

They should get in line behind Democrats. They then need to elect more Democrats to push the party left. Biden did more for climate than any other president. They should have elected Biden again and more Democrats to negate Manchin and Sinema. They are incapable of thinking about the long game. It took Republicans 50 years to overturn Roe. They did by winning elections and appointing judges. If these leftists voted for Hillary in 2016, we would have a liberal court for a generation and much farther along in green energy. They aren't entitled. That's fine. They are in the find out phase of ****ing around. Trump will gut the EPA and level Gaza. Congrats leftists, you won and punished Biden by letting him retire comfortably. 

[pfife]

5 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

The left literally ran a campaign against Biden and then Harris. 

As did the GOP and also MAGA but here you are lol

Just like Dan Gilmore said we all know who is the problem.  Well almost all of us...

Edited Wednesday at 10:17 PM by pfife

[Mr.TaterSalad]

 

I'd drink heavily too if I worked for Christian Conservative and MAGA Mike Johnson. So much for that holier than thou bull**** though. 

[Hongbit]

9 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

 

I'd drink heavily too if I worked for Christian Conservative and MAGA Mike Johnson. So much for that holier than thou bull**** though. 

Donny had to ask if it was possible for him to pardon even before the arraignment.  

Those Capital policemen are for sure getting fired. 

Edited Wednesday at 10:30 PM by Hongbit

[Motown Bombers]

14 minutes ago, pfife said:

As did the GOP and also MAGA but here you are lol

Just like Dan Gilmore said we all know who is the problem.  Well almost all of us...

Exactly, they are MAGA. What makes them even worse is they pretend to be allies. 

[Sports_Freak]

2 hours ago, romad1 said:

Is it still Mars?  Just move a few letters around and you get...Musk.

I would pay extra taxes if Musk left Planet Earth. 😆