Trumps Presidency 2025

[Tigerbomb13]

9 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

The crowd was largely white, I'd estimate 80% white. Lots and lots of young people though and adults under 40-45. There was also a large turnout of women there, particularly young and middle aged suburban white women. I felt like I saw more women then men there today. 

I was there too. Lots of women. 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[chasfh]

10 hours ago, Kacie said:

Spoken like an old white guy.  The people who wanted everyone to have an equal shot based on their qualifications are the bad guys.  It's called propaganda and you fell for it.  

The Trump people were the ones who lit the fire on DEI, and then bull****ted the rest of us into believing the fire was already burning when they got there. 

[chasfh]

7 hours ago, Edman85 said:

Why had I never heard anything about "DEI" until a couple years ago?

Just pulled this up on Google Trends. Cut it off in October to cut off some post-election mentions of it. A lot of the searches in the mid 2000's were related to Mater Dei High School.

Thank you. Exactly what I mean. 

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, LaceyLou said:

I guess I'm a bit confused-my workplace has a DEIA program we all had to go through post-COVID/Floyd and focused mainly on ways we could learn about the backgrounds of people of different cultures and the best ways we could interact with each other respectfully. It's similar to what we used to call sensitivity training in the 90s and 00s. And while YMMV, I did notice workplaces becoming more, not less productive as a result of these programs. Or maybe we were just ready to change-who knows?

The point is... these were not programs designed to say that certain people were bad people. In fact, they assumed that people were NOT bad and thus would respond to the information once they learned. 

What I'm seeing happening in Washington right now: images of women and minorities being scrubbed from websites, along with a lot of other information. And the views of some of the people installed in Washington on women and minorities are more than a little alarming.

I'm more than aware that it's not only women and minorities being scrubbed from websites, but is another topic for another thread. Let's just say that this scrubbing is the digital version of a book burning, and leave it at that.

 

Oddly, I think the 'woke' part is the most important  - at least as I envision it. Which is why this 'scrubbing' is so  insidious.  My observation is that one of the biggest impediments in US race relations is that your mainstream average white person looks out at underclass pathology and doesn't understand it, and that makes it really easy for them - almost forces them, to fall back sort of a subliminal global assumption that there must be something wrong with 'those people' otherwise they should have caught up in all these years since de jure racism was outlawed. And this operates completely separately from the way they interact with minorities in person - where they believe and very likely are, being what they regard as 'colorblind'. But the actual blindness is that most whites know nothing about the history of how the US has managed to repeatedly destroy lower class social capital - in particular in black America, which is what the underclass society actual needs to build to pull itself up. - The history of everything from Wilson purging minorities from the Civil Service to HUD helping to engineer white flight that broke urban tax bases, to bank and insurance red-lining, to surburan restrictive deed covenants, to the drug enforcement policies that criminalized urban youth, to urban de-industrialization,  gentrification, and ultimately political resource starvation of urban centers in favor of suburbia where more votes had moved. Virtually every generation America does something to devalue whatever social capital the urban underclass manages to build. We keep sleeping on all the ways we have systemically insured the that underclass stays the underclass. For my money, that is what White America needs to understand, that their probably mostly unconscious political decisions made innocently (in the sense that they saw no racial significance ) in their natural political interests have had and continue to have disproportionate consequences on people they may have no particular animus towards but are hurting none-the-less. But the $64 dollar question is how do you bring society to a raised consciousness of how this nation has actually (not)worked for minorities without turning it into an 'it's your fault' game when the people you are talking to don't see or understood how anything *they* have done individaully is wrong, when all they've done is to be nice to the individuals they meet and then politically just do what you are supposed to do, which is vote in the interests of your district?

Instead we are often alienating the people we are trying to wake up - whose support is needed to get out of the  Groundhog Day we are trapped in on race.

[ewsieg]

I don't think I shared this story, I know I was hesitant early on as most people here are Michigan based and I didn't want to cause any trouble.  I'm going to keep some details generic to ensure this doesn't come back on anyone.

In the last few years, someone I know well was part of an executive team from one hospital organization that was doing a town hall at a hospital they had recently acquired.  While one of the whilte male executives was talking, a new DEI director walked through the cafeteria they were in. This exec took a moment to introduce the DEI director and encourage people to reach out to him and participate in DEI activities.

He went on to say he had a story to share.  He said that after their org first hired a DEI director (another person originally) he went to her and said he wanted to start a white group. She was shocked (and so was the crowd), but he explained that he wanted to be an advocate for DEI and felt without a group for whites, he would not be able to meet with other whites and try to figure out how they could be part of the solution.  She went on to explain that he didn't need to be black to attend the group for African Americans or gay to be part of that group.  So on and so forth.  She promised him that they would be inclusive and he would be not only learn from them, they would be happy to learn from him.  So for years, he would attend one of the groups for several months, before moving to another.  She encouraged him to share this story, she thought it was a great example of the benefits of DEI. He claimed what he learned was invaluable.

Now the person that shared this with me had only been with this organization for a short time and he said he wasn't the only one that gasped when he heard this other exec talking about wanting a white group. But as the story went on, he realized it was a good story.

The next day this person logged into work to learn HR wanted to have a meeting with him.   12 people went to HR and said the exec should be fired and everyone one else on the exec team should be reprimanded for not stopping him.  Soon it was determined that it was 1 manager and his 11 employees.  Some of those employees told HR that the manager said they shouod submit a complaint as it would help ensure if there were layoffs, they would be spared.  Plus as the team was more than 50% minority if they were laid off after complaining about a white guy talking about wanting a white group, they would get a settlement.  

This information was eventually shared with the exec team.  While no one got fired, HR forced the exec that shared the story to get on a call with the team and apologize for his hateful comments.  And it wasn't even a 'you apologize and it's over'.  It was you apologize and we'll see what their reaction is.  Eventually nothing further happened.

This isn't a horrible story.  No one got fired, no one was really even reprimanded outside of a forced apology.  But there are a lot of people that have some similar stories and the refusal to accept this on the left is why it's a big deal on the right.

 

[mtutiger]

Maybe when the rubber meets the road they'll have the votes.... but this sure doesn't sound like they have the votes.

[ewsieg]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

My observation is that one of the biggest impediments in US race relations is that your mainstream average white person looks out at underclass pathology and doesn't understand it, and that makes it really easy for them - almost forces them, to fall back sort of a subliminal global assumption that there must be something wrong with 'those people' otherwise they should have caught up in all these years since de jure racism was outlawed. And this operates completely separately from the way they interact with minorities in person - where they believe and very likely are, being what they regard as 'colorblind'. 

<<snip>>

Instead we are often alienating the people we are trying to wake up - whose support is needed to get out of the  Groundhog Day we are trapped in on race.

So I don't disagree with you at all, but...

What if we're in this Groundhog Day because of your reasons provided, as it's no longer about race but class now.

[Tiger337]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

The Trump people were the ones who lit the fire on DEI, and then bull****ted the rest of us into believing the fire was already burning when they got there. 

This has been building up for a long time even before Trump won in 2016.  It wasn't called DEI until recently, but it's been around a long time.  It is why Trump has been running racist campaigns since 2015. What is now called "woke" used to be called "political correctness"  This is not something that Trump invented.  It's something of which he took advantage.  And ,to be clear, the left is mostly right on these issues, but their messaging has not been good.  

[Tiger337]

14 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

This has been building up for a long time even before Trump won in 2016.  It wasn't called DEI until recently, but it's been around a long time.  It is why Trump has been running racist campaigns since 2015. What is now called "woke" used to be called "political correctness"  This is not something that Trump invented.  It's something of which he took advantage.  And ,to be clear, the left is mostly right on these issues (except for exreme stuff like "defund the police"), but their messaging has not been good.  

 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

So I don't disagree with you at all, but...

What if we're in this Groundhog Day because of your reasons provided, as it's no longer about race but class now.

to a degree, but it's inseparable now because in the US class doesn't distribute evenly by race, plus whites with low resources still have more access to social capital recovery by virtue of being more likely to have successful family or social structures to fall back on or because  they still live in areas with better social services (since the country is so segregated.) But either way, I doubt America's blacks would begrudge it if the whole bottom economic quartile of America were to be lifted up.

[chasfh]

8 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Maybe when the rubber meets the road they'll have the votes.... but this sure doesn't sound like they have the votes.

Holy ****, what the **** does this guy have planned for America in September? I’ll take the over on 50/50 that it has nothing to do with the economy.

[chasfh]

7 hours ago, ewsieg said:

So I don't disagree with you at all, but...

What if we're in this Groundhog Day because of your reasons provided, as it's no longer about race but class now.

Race is an attribute of class.

[chasfh]

7 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

This has been building up for a long time even before Trump won in 2016.  It wasn't called DEI until recently, but it's been around a long time.  It is why Trump has been running racist campaigns since 2015. What is now called "woke" used to be called "political correctness"  This is not something that Trump invented.  It's something of which he took advantage.  And ,to be clear, the left is mostly right on these issues, but their messaging has not been good.  

DEI is something more, maybe even something other, to Trump and the red hats than just specific examples of race-based employment directives. “DEI” is basically a way for them to drop n-bombs without being forced to explain themselves afterwards.

[Kacie]

18 hours ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

Because the right needed a new boogeyman after critical race theory got old. 

Same with Trans.  Gays were the bogeyman, and then oops, half of them were going on Grinder or then found out they had gay kids and relatives.  Same thing will happen.  Ditto with the "illegals".  It was the Irish, the Italians, the Asians, Arabic/Muslim, now it's the Mexicans.  If they can't "other" and incite hate, their back of tricks is empty.  Obviously effective because we're losing our democracy, but DEI and woke and something something.

[mtutiger]

8 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Holy ****, what the **** does this guy have planned for America in September? I’ll take the over on 50/50 that it has nothing to do with the economy.

Probably related to getting the tax bill through... If they don't pass a tax cut bill by the end of the year, his first term tax cuts expire and taxes will subsequently increase 

[chasfh]

9 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Probably related to getting the tax bill through... If they don't pass a tax cut bill by the end of the year, his first term tax cuts expire and taxes will subsequently increase 

Hope you’re right. Hope it’s not something that will make us wish it was about the economy instead.

[mtutiger]

1 minute ago, chasfh said:

Hope it’s not something that will make us wish it was about the economy instead.

That's just a daily occurrence at this point

[The Ronz]

40 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Holy ****, what the **** does this guy have planned for America in September? I’ll take the over on 50/50 that it has nothing to do with the economy.

September is the end of the "Government Year" also known as the Fiscal Year (FY).

The Government Year is from 1 October to 30 September.

[chasfh]

7 minutes ago, The Ronz said:

September is the end of the "Government Year" also known as the Fiscal Year (FY).

The Government Year is from 1 October to 30 September.

I guess there’s some chance that Trump knows that. 😏

[mtutiger]

10 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I guess there’s some chance that Trump knows that. 😏

The chances that Trump actually wrote that bleat seem low to me fwiw

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

DEI is something more, maybe even something other, to Trump and the red hats than just specific examples of race-based employment directives. “DEI” is basically a way for them to drop n-bombs without being forced to explain themselves afterwards.

The left created the term DEI.  MAGA doesn't even know what it means.  It just sounds like a good insult.  They get to berate those ******** and those stupid pompous liberals at the same time.  

[chasfh]

36 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

The left created the term DEI.  MAGA doesn't even know what it means.  It just sounds like a good insult.  They get to berate those ******** and those stupid pompous liberals at the same time.  

And MAGA weaponized DEI for their purposes to mean something else. They don’t have to be mutually exclusive concepts.

[Tiger337]

The billonaires are right.  There will be pain and it will get better.  We'll feel the pain and it will get better for them.  

[CMRivdogs]

11 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Maybe when the rubber meets the road they'll have the votes.... but this sure doesn't sound like they have the votes.

He promised he'd solve all those problems day one. Now he's kicking the can down the road. Wasn't that he was accusing Biden of doing.

With Donnie it's always an excuse.