Trumps Presidency 2025

[gehringer_2]

27 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Even if prices drop, a huge increase in unemployment means nothing will be affordable. Those tarriffs are going to destroy the auto industry. New cars are already too expensive, if they go up $9000 on average, it will mean massive layoffs. And that will affect more than just auto workers. Stores, restaurants and the entire economy will be hit hard. But, OK MAGA, the country exporting the goods pay the tarriffs, right? Wrong...

In American Politics it's hard to be forgiven for a messed up economy. Reagan came in with a bad recession, but inflation was so bad he was forgiven because by the '84 election inflation was back under 4% and interest rates were on a steady decline. I don't know what Trump is going to do to try to justify a recession he causes or if anything he says would have any traction in the face of rising unemployment.                           

[CMRivdogs]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

I think MAGA will trust him on the tariffs, but not SS.  They probably see tariffs as good for America, but take away money which they think belongs to them and they won't like it.  

Will they blame Trump or Congress. Not there's much difference between him and the party. Trump's a lame duck despite their wishes, Republican Congresscitters will bear the brunt in '26

[Motown Bombers]

19 minutes ago, Screwball said:

The ultimate irony of the Troll Tesla™ scam would be if done from work.

What a ****ing world we live in.

💩

[Sports_Freak]

17 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

In American Politics it's hard to be forgiven for a messed up economy. Reagan came in with a bad recession, but inflation was so bad he was forgiven because by the '84 election inflation was back under 4% and interest rates were on a steady decline. I don't know what Trump is going to do to try to justify a recession he causes or if anything he says would have any traction in the face of rising unemployment.                           

Him and MAGA are all blaming Biden. Some nonsense about "transition" inflation. The GOP gameplan....when they fail, just lie. Blame a Democrat, the base eats it up. I'm not into conspiracy theories but I still can't believe Trump won. Harris had ALL the energy, a solid plan and so many endorsements. I mean, there was Republicans endorsing her. I didn't see any democrats supporting or endorsing Trump.

[Sports_Freak]

I thought i read something about Europe dropping Starlink too. Musk may be rich, but he's kind of a simpleton.

 

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Start taking money way from people and tthey will take action.  There are millions of MAGA getting SS or soon to be getting SS.  They love seeing other people suffer, but they'll cry if they have to suffer themselves.  Plus, they don't have to blame it on the cult leader.  They can blame it on MUSK.  

I’m not so convinced that even Musk is going to get blamed by dispossessed red hats for their getting shorted on their Social Security or Medicare, let alone Trump.

First of all, the regime will develop a complete horse**** story for the cuts even before they happen, in which the remaining Democrats, the former deep state, the media, and assorted other enemies of the state will be fully blamed for the debacle to come. It doesn’t matter that none of these entities have any actual power—they will be imbued with just enough power to be blamed for the debacle before it occurs.

And secondly, I think we overestimate just how sensitive Trump’s core base even is to shifting economics. A really high percentage of hardcore red hats live hardscrabble lives of desperation and deprivation. They suffer in both good times and bad, such that things stay the same for them all the time—meaning, always terrible. The reason they go for Trump is not so much to restore an economic status they never had in the first place anyway, but to restore their social standing of being in the racial group that is explicitly favored by the government. It kills them, absolutely kills them, to see people of color doing better than they are, so the hardcore base’s heart’s desire is to see them dragged back down to their natural level, in which the level of the highest black person is far below the level of the lowest white person. You know, like it was back when America was great. So I really don’t see how those people are going to rise up against Trump simply because they’re not getting the checks from a program they’ve already been told for decades is going to be bankrupt by the time they come to collect anyway.

OK, so, what about the Trump voters who are economically sensitive? Won’t they rise up once the **** hits the fan? I don’t think so, because that’s where the first part comes back in—the horse**** story part, which they of course will believe, because their media will tell them to believe it, so of course they will, because where are they gonna hear anything different? They might rise up, all right, but it won’t be against Trump or Musk. It will be against who they’ve been told is at fault.

Only something unexpected that can’t planned for can break the spell. That could happen tomorrow, or that could happen in 50 years. Who knows.

 

[Tiger337]

2 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

That's pretty funny but kinda rotten to a salesperson who's just trying to make a living. 

I agree with that. He's the wrong target.  

[Motown Bombers]

Quit clutching your pearls. The same group showing up to Tesla dealers in person and shutting them down, asked people to schedule test drives and not show up. Alex was the only one who called me. I ****ed with him for 3 minutes and 27 seconds. 

[Tiger337]

5 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Quit clutching your pearls. The same group showing up to Tesla dealers in person and shutting them down, asked people to schedule test drives and not show up. Alex was the only one who called me. I ****ed with him for 3 minutes and 27 seconds. 

I have no idea what you are saying in this post.  

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, Tiger337 said:

I have no idea what you are saying in this post.  

Good. 

[Tiger337]

Just now, Motown Bombers said:

Good. 

probably.  

[gehringer_2]

52 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

I thought i read something about Europe dropping Starlink too. Musk may be rich, but he's kind of a simpleton.

 

I don't know if the market is ready to punish him that severely at Starlink and Tesla, but if it does, and Musk starts looking like a 'loser' in Oligarchy's  sewing circles, you can bet that will get him bounced out of Trump's orbit.

[1984Echoes]

16 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I don't know if the market is ready to punish him that severely at Starlink and Tesla, but if it does, and Musk starts looking like a 'loser' in Oligarchy's  sewing circles, you can bet that will get him bounced out of Trump's orbit.

I thought bankruptcies put a person IN Trump's orbit...

Or at least that's what was argued in this very forum (actually, its predecessor...) quite often by one or two of our MAGA "experts".

[romad1]

6 hours ago, 1984Echoes said:

I thought bankruptcies put a person IN Trump's orbit...

Or at least that's what was argued in this very forum (actually, its predecessor...) quite often by one or two of our MAGA "experts".

Moral bankruptcy?

[romad1]

7 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Quit clutching your pearls. The same group showing up to Tesla dealers in person and shutting them down, asked people to schedule test drives and not show up. Alex was the only one who called me. I ****ed with him for 3 minutes and 27 seconds. 

He's just as bad as the sports reporter who still uses X.  

Edited 5 hours ago by romad1

[romad1]

I still want an explanation how this is a good idea.  Not that I want to hear from anyone who would defend this.

https://www.science.org/content/article/nih-ax-grants-vaccine-hesitancy-mrna-vaccines

[romad1]

 

[mtutiger]

Imperfect as polls are, they are showing evidence that views on the economy are having an impact (overall is 45-54)

[chasfh]

12 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

That's pretty funny but kinda rotten to a salesperson who's just trying to make a living. Unless he/she is an ignorant MAGA fan, then it's FAFO.

I wouldn’t do this myself because it’s not my style, but I think the practical joke is fine. After all, regardless of whether he is MAGA, the salesman is presumably a willing and eager representative of the Tesla company, not an captive being pressed into service against his will. And it’s not as though the joke is picking his pocket or breaking his leg. After all, the drop in Tesla sales as a result of FElon’s noxious policies had already been picking the guy’s pocket even before the prank call. This is one of the ways the marketplace expresses its dissatisfaction—even better than a simple down arrow on a sales chart, actually, since it provides a vital piece of information as to why sales are plummeting. If the salesman can’t take this relatively gentle kind of heat, there are any number of sales positions with reputable companies he could take instead. Big boy pants applies here.

Edited 3 hours ago by chasfh

[Motown Bombers]

Just to be clear, I never called. I scheduled test drives all over through the Tesla website. The Bloomfield store is the only one that called me. Usually, they text. Since Alex called me, I figured I would play along. Also, Tesla doesn't employ salespeople. You order the car online and they deliver it or you pick up at a store. The people there are advisors. Alex didn't lose a sale. 

[romad1]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

I still want an explanation how this is a good idea.  Not that I want to hear from anyone who would defend this.

https://www.science.org/content/article/nih-ax-grants-vaccine-hesitancy-mrna-vaccines

Let me offer the most likely explanation rattling around in the heads of MAGAs

"HAIL TRUMP, GIVER OF LIGHT! HE WHO IS IMPERVIOUS TO FAILURE! HE WHO SHEDS NO TEARS! DEATH IS HIS GIFT! THE SOONER HE GIVETH, THE GREATER THE JOY FOR HIS FOLLOWERS!"

[romad1]

4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Just to be clear, I never called. I scheduled test drives all over through the Tesla website. The Bloomfield store is the only one that called me. Usually, they text. Since Alex called me, I figured I would play along. Also, Tesla doesn't employ salespeople. You order the car online and they deliver it or you pick up at a store. The people there are advisors. Alex didn't lose a sale. 

I get it if you bought one prior to Musk buying Twitter.  I understand putting yourself in hock because a person wants to do what is right by the environment and you suddenly saw other Teslas on the block and felt guilty.  

But, anyone who bought one after Musk buying twitter probably secretly cheered on the death of Jamal Khashogi by the Saudis or the invasion of Ukraine and slaughter in Bucha et.al.,  You are a bad person who cheers on evil people. 

[pfife]

Federal employees are parasites.   Thus, the tesla adviser deserved it.

Rome is beautiful this time of year

[mtutiger]

12 minutes ago, pfife said:

Federal employees are parasites.   Thus, the tesla adviser deserved it.

Rome is beautiful this time of year

Speaking of parasites...

 

[mtutiger]

As Rick Santelli showed at the beginning of Obama, it always seems like the money guys are ahead of the curve on backlashes against incumbents