gehringer_2 Posted Wednesday at 07:26 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:26 PM the weakness in the strategy of trying to single out one country for tariff action is that China will just trans-ship through 3rd countries or even do some nominal finish value added there. The only way it actually works is if the rest of the world cooperates to pressure China - but of course cooperation is anathema to Trump, which is why all this screwing around appears to likely to fail in the end. 1 Quote
CMRivdogs Posted Wednesday at 07:35 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:35 PM Sounds a lot like market manipulation 7 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: the weakness in the strategy of trying to single out one country for tariff action is that China will just trans-ship through 3rd countries or even do some nominal finish value added there. The only way it actually works is if the rest of the world cooperates to pressure China - but of course cooperation is anathema to Trump, which is why all this screwing around appears to likely to fail in the end. 1 Quote
Motown Bombers Posted Wednesday at 07:58 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:58 PM It clearly was manipulation. 2 Quote
Hongbit Posted Wednesday at 08:20 PM Posted Wednesday at 08:20 PM I wonder how many signups his Truth Social got today from people with no interest other than wanting his insider trading tips. Quote
Hongbit Posted Wednesday at 08:25 PM Posted Wednesday at 08:25 PM 2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I’m out on Whitmer. What the F? Can’t believe she bent the knee. She also repeated Trump’s golden age for manufacturing rhetoric. 1 Quote
LaceyLou Posted Wednesday at 08:35 PM Posted Wednesday at 08:35 PM 14 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I’m out on Whitmer. UGH. Quote
LaceyLou Posted Wednesday at 08:38 PM Posted Wednesday at 08:38 PM 2 hours ago, chasfh said: Well, fellow undesirable U.S.citizens, that’s quite a situation he’s creating. They might as well just go ahead and call them vermin, and/or subhuman. You know they're thinking it. Quote
LaceyLou Posted Wednesday at 08:43 PM Posted Wednesday at 08:43 PM 7 hours ago, romad1 said: that right there is some frightening language. Marisa Kabas: "“We need to get better at treating this like a business,” Acting ICE Director Todd Lyons said, explaining he wants to see a deportation process “like (Amazon) Prime, but with human beings.”" — Bluesky Wow. I need to stop thinking they can't get any lower. Quote
guy incognito Posted Wednesday at 09:12 PM Posted Wednesday at 09:12 PM 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: It clearly was manipulation. Hey you guys, I think I figured out why Trump fired all the Inspectors General. Quote
mtutiger Posted Wednesday at 09:30 PM Posted Wednesday at 09:30 PM (edited) 3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: either can American industry. TBH - I think it won't continue that long. Trump will continue to be a model of inconsistency and chaos, but I think he will soon enough be bored of the topic and book whatever wins he imagines he's made on Tariffs and move on to other things.. I disagree.... I think his actions today (reminder: only a 90 day pause, not a full offramp) and the subsequent "victory lap" (ie. the market regaining a portion of the losses he instigated, in manipulated fashion) while keeping the 10% on all the other countries, 25% on steel and aluminum and the 100+% China tariff have moved the Overton window and are not going away. Even if they negatively impact on the economy. Edited Wednesday at 09:33 PM by mtutiger Quote
Tigerbomb13 Posted Wednesday at 10:51 PM Posted Wednesday at 10:51 PM This almost made me spit out my beer that I’m currently drinking Quote
gehringer_2 Posted Wednesday at 11:12 PM Posted Wednesday at 11:12 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: I disagree.... I think his actions today (reminder: only a 90 day pause, not a full offramp) and the subsequent "victory lap" (ie. the market regaining a portion of the losses he instigated, in manipulated fashion) while keeping the 10% on all the other countries, 25% on steel and aluminum and the 100+% China tariff have moved the Overton window and are not going away. Even if they negatively impact on the economy. No argument there - I didn't mean there wouldn't be some permanent outcome, only that at some point the chaos on this issue will subside and be replaced by chaos on other issues that have captured his attention. But I think the ultimate take away is that the US acting alone will not be able to make much of a dent in Chinese total exports, and large volumes of Chinese production will continue to find their way into the US at less than the direct tariff rates on China. Edited Wednesday at 11:16 PM by gehringer_2 Quote
Hongbit Posted Wednesday at 11:33 PM Posted Wednesday at 11:33 PM What’s the point of keeping a 10% tariff? It’s not enough to impact any change in trade practices. All it’s going to do is make people pay 10% more on what they buy. Quote
Tiger337 Posted Wednesday at 11:49 PM Posted Wednesday at 11:49 PM 3 hours ago, Hongbit said: What the F? Can’t believe she bent the knee. She also repeated Trump’s golden age for manufacturing rhetoric. Whitler! 1 Quote
mtutiger Posted Thursday at 12:05 AM Posted Thursday at 12:05 AM 32 minutes ago, Hongbit said: What’s the point of keeping a 10% tariff? It’s not enough to impact any change in trade practices. All it’s going to do is make people pay 10% more on what they buy. He truly believes the tariff **** Quote
gehringer_2 Posted Thursday at 12:30 AM Posted Thursday at 12:30 AM 6 minutes ago, Hongbit said: What’s the point of keeping a 10% tariff? It’s not enough to impact any change in trade practices. All it’s going to do is make people pay 10% more on what they buy. He still wants some revenue to work with. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted Thursday at 12:38 AM Posted Thursday at 12:38 AM 4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: I’m out on Whitmer. WOW, screw this. What is she doing here? She's submarining her 2028 Presidential campaign for sure. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted Thursday at 12:48 AM Posted Thursday at 12:48 AM 7 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: WOW, screw this. What is she doing here? She's submarining her 2028 Presidential campaign for sure. She is triangulating. The Dems have to come to terms with the fact that a lot of people voted for Trump and if you start out by invalidating the opinion of all those people, you create a hole for yourself you don't need to. 2 Quote
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