Trumps Presidency 2025

[Tigerbomb13]

We truly live in the dumbest timeline 

[Tigerbomb13]

 

[Motown Bombers]

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

Yes yes yes yes. And I will admit to taking some glee in saying I told you so.

The ideological purists who expunge anybody who doesn't pass a left wing purity test are a big reason why we are here. Would you want to join that tent? Would you listen to people who treat you that way?

Why is it Democrats are the ones who have to accommodate Trumpers and Republicans did nothing to bring Democrats to their tent after 2020? Trump called Latinos murderers, rapists, poisoning the blood of Americans, accused them of eating dogs and cats, and promised to deport them and they started flocking to Trump. This woman believed Trump more than Harris. She believed the white man and not the black woman. She even acknowledged what a horrible person Trump was and still voted for him. What are Dems supposed to do with these people? They've been warning them for 8 years. 

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, ewsieg said:

You're not wrong... but MTUtigers post is still the correct way to handle this.  It's annoying without a doubt, but it's not beneficial to anyone to just go scorched earth on those we oppose.

I was actually going to jump on here to talk about what my Facebook feed looks like now.  Some old friends/family of mine are sharing meme's, that are often incorrect and at best, only partially true, as they troll the left and claim 'wins' on every little thing they believe Trump is doing great.  At the same time, zero empathy on anything. 

Until they find a reason to have a little empathy, nothing is going to change their mind.  Especially if you're refusing to give them any empathy as well.

So, again, after nine years of Trumpers wishing nothing but the worst for liberals, it’s liberals who have the obligation to reach out to Trumpers, a group of people who take their emotional and social cue from a nihilist sociopath, in the mere hope that they will respond in a kindly and neighborly fashion? Liberals are the ones who are supposed to make peace with the leopards?

That seems like a tall ask to me.

Edited 8 hours ago by chasfh

[LaceyLou]

So.... I'm not one to act in a way that some of my MAGA acquaintances who love to 'see libruls cry.' 

That said, while  I'm not one to gleefully say 'see? The leopard ate your face!' I still can't help but say to myself that they voted for it. And if they're somebody I've been close to, I won't hesitate to tell them their mistake-and maybe show them better ways to get their information. Well... maybe a little good natured teasing might be in order. 😉

Tbh, I'd be more than a little bit leery to invite somebody who seemingly was okay with the all of the hatred and vitriol Drumpf and company spouted off into my resistance group-especially if and when it becomes dangerous to be in such a group. How can I trust somebody who voted for somebody who openly vowed to hurt a lot of people I care about IRL? 

 

[Tigermojo]

I would encourage them to buy a one way ticket to Moscow.

[Edman85]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

Why is it Democrats are the ones who have to accommodate Trumpers and Republicans did nothing to bring Democrats to their tent after 2020? Trump called Latinos murderers, rapists, poisoning the blood of Americans, accused them of eating dogs and cats, and promised to deport them and they started flocking to Trump. This woman believed Trump more than Harris. She believed the white man and not the black woman. She even acknowledged what a horrible person Trump was and still voted for him. What are Dems supposed to do with these people? They've been warning them for 8 years. 

You are underestimating the amount of people who completely tune politics out and vote for the party they've always voted for. The amount of people I've run into the last month who know I'm a federal employee but have no idea what's going on at work these days has opened my eye to this. I'm not talking about courting the racist uncle who wears the MAGA hat to his wife's funeral.

Edited 7 hours ago by Edman85

[ewsieg]

55 minutes ago, chasfh said:

So, again, after nine years of Trumpers wishing nothing but the worst for liberals, it’s liberals who have the obligation to reach out to Trumpers, a group of people who take their emotional and social cue from a nihilist sociopath, in the mere hope that they will respond in a kindly and neighborly fashion? Liberals are the ones who are supposed to make peace with the leopards?

That seems like a tall ask to me.

It is a tall ask, one I certainly don't live up to all the time, but IMO, it's the right 'ask'.

I don't think you win over the opposition or even those that don't get into the weeds with politics and pick a side by making fun of them at every chance.  Don't get me wrong, Reddit's r/facepalm is pretty funny, I just don't think it's constructive which is what I think MTUTiger was getting at.

Edited 7 hours ago by ewsieg

[chasfh]

Just now, ewsieg said:

It is a tall ask, one I certainly don't live up to all the time, but IMO, it's the right 'ask'.

I don't think you win over the opposition or even those that don't get into the weeds with politics and pick a side by making fun of them at every chance.  Don't get me wrong, /facepalm is pretty funny, I just don't think it's constructive which is what I think MTUTiger was getting at.

I'm leery of reaching out and anxiously befriending the leopard just long enough to allow him to eat my face, which, shame on me if that happens, right? I will have totally deserved that, won't I?

I'd prefer to ignore them while they're out gallivanting about and then I'll fete them when they wander into the tent tail between their legs.

You can't befriend people who honestly want nothing to do with your friendship.

[Tiger337]

3 hours ago, Edman85 said:

Yes yes yes yes. And I will admit to taking some glee in saying I told you so.

The ideological purists who expunge anybody who doesn't pass a left wing purity test are a big reason why we are here. Would you want to join that tent? Would you listen to people who treat you that way?

Right, people like that are no better than MAGAs who think any Republican who doesn't agree with everything Trump says or does is a Rino.   

[chasfh]

2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Right, people like that are no better than MAGAs who think any Republican who doesn't agree with everything Trump says or does is a Rino.   

While I agree in scope, I don't agree in scale. There are way, way, way, waaaaaay more hard right Trump fluffers than far left river-to-the-seaers. There's no equivalence in scale between them.

[ewsieg]

Ahh, to each your own I guess.  I don't feel like I said you had to befriend MAGA so they could betray you, just saying if everyone had a little more empathy, we'd be better off. 

I still feel I'm conservative.  I grew up listening to Rush.  But I was always interested in understanding an issue rather then simply agreeing with whatever an (R) told me was the issue.  This led me to listening to programs like This American Life, which arguably is often anecdotal, but even if I disagreed with the politics of a particular episode, I often found a side I had not thought off. I think it helped me steer clear of Trump when he took over the party. 

[ewsieg]

1 minute ago, chasfh said:

While I agree in scope, I don't agree in scale. There are way, way, way, waaaaaay more hard right Trump fluffers than far left river-to-the-seaers. There's no equivalence in scale between them.

Absolutely, but it's also not 49% of the voting population or whatever Trump got.  I would love to peel some folks off of that group rather than push them to dig into their 'dear leader' and add to that 25-30% that is true MAGA.

[chasfh]

2 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Ahh, to each your own I guess.  I don't feel like I said you had to befriend MAGA so they could betray you, just saying if everyone had a little more empathy, we'd be better off.

I agree with this in principle, but if my side wants to share some empathy and the other side couldn't possibly give less than a **** about that, then where does that leave us? It can't be a one-way street, can it? I don't think so, anyway.

[chasfh]

4 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Ahh, to each your own I guess.  I don't feel like I said you had to befriend MAGA so they could betray you, just saying if everyone had a little more empathy, we'd be better off. 

I still feel I'm conservative.  I grew up listening to Rush.  But I was always interested in understanding an issue rather then simply agreeing with whatever an (R) told me was the issue.  This led me to listening to programs like This American Life, which arguably is often anecdotal, but even if I disagreed with the politics of a particular episode, I often found a side I had not thought off. I think it helped me steer clear of Trump when he took over the party. 

You'd have a case to hammer me if the Trumpers were begging to reconcile with me and try to see eye to eye and I replied to them to go pound sand. Even you have to admit that's not what's happening here.

[Tiger337]

12 minutes ago, chasfh said:

While I agree in scope, I don't agree in scale. There are way, way, way, waaaaaay more hard right Trump fluffers than far left river-to-the-seaers. There's no equivalence in scale between them.

I was thinking more of the large group of people who thought everyone who didn't agree them 100% on issues regarding race was a racist.  Or insert any other minority group.  

[Mr.TaterSalad]

I wonder if Trump still wishes Ghislane Maxwell well?

 

[IdahoBert]

I can only go back so far in the pages of this thread without messing with myself psychologically and emotionally, so if this has already been seen, here it is again.

I can only stand just so much exposure to political social media, and although I don’t think we’re going to tame capitalism with boycotts, if this is the only thing I can do, I’m in.

I’ve run into a number of people socially who are talking about this. I’m not going to buy anything Friday, although I might go to a Mexican restaurant tomorrow because I know the people there are good people and it’s a family owned place.

I’m also going to go dead on social media and not even turn my TV on and for me this is not some sort of self involved conceit, it’s more or less what I’ve been reduced to and I’m admitting that this is what I’ve been reduced to right now. See you all in a couple days.

[Edman85]

7 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

I can only go back so far in the pages of this thread without messing with myself psychologically and emotionally, so if this has already been seen, here it is again.

I can only stand just so much exposure to political social media, and although I don’t think we’re going to tame capitalism with boycotts, if this is the only thing I can do, I’m in.

I’ve run into a number of people socially who are talking about this. I’m not going to buy anything Friday, although I might go to a Mexican restaurant tomorrow because I know the people there are good people and it’s a family owned place.

I’m also going to go dead on social media and not even turn my TV on and for me this is not some sort of self involved conceit, it’s more or less what I’ve been reduced to and I’m admitting that this is what I’ve been reduced to right now. See you all in a couple days.

If you only boycott those days and just buy stuff on other days as well, it doesn't have any impact.

Edited 6 hours ago by Edman85

[gehringer_2]

5 hours ago, ewsieg said:

You're not wrong... but MTUtigers post is still the correct way to handle this.  It's annoying without a doubt, but it's not beneficial to anyone to just go scorched earth on those we oppose.

I was actually going to jump on here to talk about what my Facebook feed looks like now.  Some old friends/family of mine are sharing meme's, that are often incorrect and at best, only partially true, as they troll the left and claim 'wins' on every little thing they believe Trump is doing great.  At the same time, zero empathy on anything. 

Until they find a reason to have a little empathy, nothing is going to change their mind.  Especially if you're refusing to give them any empathy as well.

Yes - No doubt there is a certain aspect of "if you want a better society, you've got to be the better people that start making up that society." But to be clear that doesn't mean compromising on what should not be comprised. Or maybe: You can soften your attitude without softening your principles.

And it's not like the left doesn't have enough trouble with attitude already - (mea culpa)

 

Edited 6 hours ago by gehringer_2

[Dan Gilmore]

I see a range of people who voted for Trump, some more problematic than others. Sure it would be nice if all voters did research and had critical thinking skills. And understood how much the Constitution was going to and now is being trashed.

But I do distinguish between the gleeful fascist element and the lazy people thinking the economy would be better under Drumpf. At least the latter might be capable of learning a hard lesson, whereas the former are too messed up to redeem. Better citizenship from all would be the goal, and I am trying to remain a small degree of hope that a really significant part of the population can return to decency and honor in their voting choices. Not welcoming with open arms, not as sympathetic as I could be, but not casting all Trump voters in with MAGA Trumpers. 

[Hongbit]

I don’t know any but if your net worth is more than $50M+, I’d give you a pass for voting Trump.  

They’d be dumb not to.  He was made for them.

[Deleterious]

31 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

I don’t know any but if your net worth is more than $50M+, I’d give you a pass for voting Trump.  

They’d be dumb not to.  He was made for them.

I appreciate you not outing me.

[Tiger337]

 

[Edman85]

2 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

 

Not a big cat person, but this is easy.