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42 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Speaking of work, can you update us on what Donald Trump plans to do on day one to lower the cost of consumer goods?

Welcome back "executive time"

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26 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

The real reason they're moving it indoors, 2009 vs 2017. Trump's afraid of this again

https://bsky.app/profile/helenkennedy.bsky.social/post/3lfyfgsq6mk2w

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I have no idea what he would draw if they held it outdoors, but the waning days of the campaign where he was drawing poor crowd sizes stick out to me. 

The fact that he managed to win has really obscured the fact that he's.... not that beloved a figure?

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29 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I have no idea what he would draw if they held it outdoors, but the waning days of the campaign where he was drawing poor crowd sizes stick out to me. 

The fact that he managed to win has really obscured the fact that he's.... not that beloved a figure?

He starts out with a 44-49 percent approval rating. Already underwater. His cabinet post choices ratings are even worse. A 50-50 split on deportation. 
 

https://maristpoll.marist.edu/polls/the-trump-administration-january-2025/

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Just now, Tigeraholic1 said:

Much better than Biden’s exit polls lol.

The apples-apples comparison is to how Biden entered office - he had a 54% approval rating per 538, Trump has a 47% approval rating and is 1 point below water (47-48). https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

More or less matching what happened in term one (and if we recall what happened there, he never was more popular than the day he was inaugurated)

I don't know what will happen going forward, but historically speaking, candidates upon being inaugurated to office have higher approval ratings 47%. And they generally see their ratings go down as Presidents implement (and overreach) on their policy initiatives (see: thermostatic response)

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The media being cowed by Trump is going to do a lot of work to blanket over him selling wristwatches, plates, Hummel figurines, and whatever trash bearing his name image and likeness while he's taking office.

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Also with regards to Biden's approval, I voted for him in 2020 and Kamala in 2024.

Yet if a pollster called me up and asked if I approved or disapproved of Biden, I'd answer "disapprove". Particularly him staying in the race way too long and not bowing out, along with other issues surrounding how he followed through on policy (namely the border and Ukraine)

I suspect that I'm not the only one.

Something to consider - there's likely a not-insignificant subset of the disapprovers who track as reliable D voters who don't like Trump or the GOP 

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21 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Also with regards to Biden's approval, I voted for him in 2020 and Kamala in 2024.

Yet if a pollster called me up and asked if I approved or disapproved of Biden, I'd answer "disapprove". Particularly him staying in the race way too long and not bowing out, along with other issues surrounding how he followed through on policy (namely the border and Ukraine)

I suspect that I'm not the only one.

Something to consider - there's likely a not-insignificant subset of the disapprovers who track as reliable D voters who don't like Trump or the GOP 

approve/disapprove has become pretty useless because as you note, it's meaning to someone being surveyed has shifted from being a euphemism for "would you vote for this person" used to soften/evade the direct question, to "are you happy with things". Those are two significantly different questions.

The malleability/transformation of language is a problem for pollsters. The very much want to be able to keep asking the exact same question over time in order to provide anchor points for use in adjusting samples, but whether the pollsters like it or not, language use does change. And worse than that, the whole emotional state of the population changes. Americans are more discontent for less reason than they used to be. That's not to say a lot of people don't still have it hard, but the degree to which people are willing to accept/expect life being hard has fallen - a lot.

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1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

approve/disapprove has become pretty useless because as you note, it's meaning to someone being surveyed has shifted from being a euphemism for "would you vote for this person" used to soften/evade the direct question, to "are you happy with things". Those are two significantly different questions.

The malleability/transformation of language is a problem for pollsters. The desperately want to be able to keep asking the exact same question over time in order to provide anchor points for use in adjusting samples, but whether the pollsters like or not, language use does change.

With Biden approval, when pollsters provide it, I find it interesting that when they include categories of disapproval (ie. soft disapproval, strong disapproval, etc.), they tend to show a high number of soft disapprovers than is generally seen with a figure like Trump (for whom there are a lot less people who have "soft" views)

Maybe there's another explanation, but that sort of tracks with what I'm getting at IMO.

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7 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

That's not to say a lot of people don't still have it hard, but the degree to which people are willing to accept/expect life being hard has fallen - a lot.

and to finish the thought. I would posit that this almost certainly driven by increasing social isolation. People who must work hard to get by but do it in a socially cohesive and supportive environment could take a lot of emotional reinforcement from their experience. most of which is missing for most of them today. 

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