Trumps Presidency 2025

[Hongbit]

8 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

 

Such political bs.   The words come out of his mouth so easily now,  I wonder what would’ve happened had he and the rest said the same thing to voters leading up to the election.     

[CMRivdogs]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

To protect Canada from the Kristi Noems

Can't they just sick a few dogs on her? Or does she scare them

[mtutiger]

Just now, Hongbit said:

Such political bs.   The words come out of his mouth so easily now,  I wonder what would’ve happened had he and the rest said the same thing to voters leading up to the election.     

It's just so dishonest as well. His party (as well as certain posters around here) derided any context to the inflationary issues we faced in 2022 as being "elitism", yet they get to apparently turn around and tell us to sit down and shut up while Trump deliberately goes and makes moves that will make prices soar and drive us into a recession.

Just bottomless contempt for all these guys

[Motown Bombers]

3 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Such political bs.   The words come out of his mouth so easily now,  I wonder what would’ve happened had he and the rest said the same thing to voters leading up to the election.     

Elon Musk said there would be pain before the election. This was also all in writing but damn if you're going to make me use pronouns. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

 

[mtutiger]

Have these people lost their minds?

[CMRivdogs]

Who is holding a gun to the heads of people taking and ODing on Fentanyl? The folks who take made a choice, a bad choice but still a choice. Nobody made them take it. 
 

That plus from what I've seen the vast majority of the drug coming into the states is being brought in by Americans. 

[CMRivdogs]

 

[romad1]

12 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

 

I wish we had someone like him. 

[CMRivdogs]

Like most bullies, Trumplicans are cowards. 
 

 

[romad1]

1 minute ago, CMRivdogs said:

Like most bullies, Trumplicans are cowards. 
 

 

This is a bad move for them.  The ones who do maintain their connection to their voters will survive. 

[mtutiger]

Granted some of this posturing is likely because he represents the Trumpiest district in Congress and he wants to remain in Congress...

But what he doesn't get is that while NAFTA and free trade did have negative impacts on a lot of areas (including the one I grew up in), it also did create jobs as well. And we are now 30 years on... our economy is adapted to the point where there are jobs today that rely on free trade. Metro Detroit is heavily reliant on the ability trade across the border. Not to mention Golden's district in Northern Maine.

And it's not a small thing to detonate a nuke like this on our current reality without any guarantee of success... To be honest, the whole vision Congressman Golden has shared above seems destined to failure in practice.

Edited Tuesday at 06:17 PM by mtutiger

[Tigerbomb13]

We live in the dumbest of times 

[Motown Bombers]

15 minutes ago, romad1 said:

I wish we had someone like him. 

We did.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

2 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Granted some of this posturing is likely because he represents the Trumpiest district in Congress and he wants to remain in Congress...

But what he doesn't get is that while NAFTA and free trade did have negative impacts on a lot of areas (including the one I grew up in), it also did create jobs as well. And we are now 30 years on... our economy is adapted to the point where there are jobs today that rely on free trade. Metro Detroit is heavily reliant on the ability trade across the border. Not to mention Golden's district in Northern Maine.

And it's not a small thing to detonate a nuke like this on our current reality without any guarantee of success... To be honest, the whole vision Congressman Golden has shared above seems destined to failure in practice.

I think we'd be better off without NAFTA or the UMSCA. The free market in general has been a failure with the levels of inequity and outsourcing of labor it has allowed. I do believe that trading with underdeveloped and impoverished economies has done an immense amount of damage to workers in America. One estimate I read from Economic Policiy Institute, which is a union-funded think tank, said NAFTA cost us over 700,000 jobs. Many of the jobs good paying, manufacturing jobs that non-college educated people came out of high school and worked in. Democrats should not ever be the party defending trade deals like NAFTA or promoting new ones like the TPP. Golden is right to rail on NAFTA.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[mtutiger]

4 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I think we'd be better off without NAFTA or the UMSCA. The free market in general has been a failure with the levels of inequity and outsourcing of labor it has allowed. I do believe that trading with underdeveloped and impoverished economies has done an immense amount of damage to workers in America. One estimate I read from Economic Policiy Institute, which is a union-funded think tank, said NAFTA cost us over 700,000 jobs. Many of the jobs good paying, manufacturing jobs that non-college educated people came out of high school and worked in. Democrats should not ever be the party defending trade deals like NAFTA or promoting new ones like the TPP. Golden is right to rail on NAFTA.

OK, but just realize that Golden's views will cause an immense amount of short term pain with zero guarantee of success.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, mtutiger said:

OK, but just realize that Golden's views will cause an immense amount of short term pain with zero guarantee of success.

Leftists and MAGA overlap on a lot of things. Usually what Trump picks up started with leftists like NAFTA and rigged elections. 

[romad1]

4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

what a totally normal human response to the suffering of others. 

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, romad1 said:

what a totally normal human response to the suffering of others. 

Imagine what our resident GI Nazi would have to say if someone from the Biden administration said that. 

[Tigermojo]

This is how autocracy wins. People in position to stop it, don't. If the American people don't stop him, you'll never have real elections again and you'll take the other democracies down with you.

[romad1]

Just now, Motown Bombers said:

Imagine what our resident GI Nazi would have to say if someone from the Biden administration said that. 

"Its possible we aren't ready to have a job right now"

[mtutiger]

Just now, Motown Bombers said:

Leftists and MAGA overlap on a lot of things. Usually what Trump picks up started with leftists like NAFTA and rigged elections. 

Where I've landed on NAFTA and free trade is that while it may not have been the best outcome at the time, and certainly more needs to be done to ameliorate the damage to the communities that it impacted, it *did* create jobs and change the nature of this economy. And actions like the ones Trump is pursuing (and Golden is apparently cool with), misguided as they are, will create a lot of short term collateral damage.

And we need to be honest about that....

[Hongbit]

3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Back to the maga playbook that we saw with violent immigrants,  trans athletes, Antifa, Canadian Fentanyl, same sex bathrooms, and every thing else.  

Take a very isolated situation where a tiny subsection of vets were unwilling to work and manipulate it to make it seem like it’s an epidemic.  

[romad1]

2 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Back to the maga playbook that we saw with violent immigrants,  trans athletes, Antifa, Canadian Fentanyl, same sex bathrooms, and every thing else.  

Take a very isolated situation where a tiny subsection of vets were unwilling to work and manipulate it to make it seem like it’s an epidemic.  

"unwilling"?