Trumps Presidency 2025

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Well you have to do something to win back non-college educated voters in midwest and southern states and defending NAFTA isn't going to be it. The reason that there was a Bernie/Trump voter in 2016 was because of issues like NAFTA. Sherrod Brown hung on as long as he did in Ohio because he went around the state assailing and speaking out against free trade and he stood up for workers rights at every turn. If Sherrod Brown decided to be a pimp for free trade like some of his Democratic colleagues became and sold out workers he'd have lost a lot sooner in Ohio. I think Jared Golden recognizes the same thing in Maine.

It's weird how non-college educated blacks overwhelmingly support Democrats. The thing is, the Bernie or bust voters in 2016 were college educated white man. Joe Biden was the best union president we had in generations and the Bernie or bust voter from 2016 that was so concerned about the working class made a conflict on the other side of the world that didn't involve the US their entire identity. 

[oblong]

 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

OK, but just realize that Golden's views will cause an immense amount of short term pain with zero guarantee of success.

this is why tariffs were the wrong way to go about any rebuild of US manufacturing in the first place. If the approach were via investment incentives, corporate governance reform, financial system reform that would reduce the profit in cannibalizing manufacturers, worker training support -the whole nine yards - THEN you could have have an evolutionary regrowth and an economy that continued to grow while changing. If Trump produces a recession in the name of helping US workers it will be 110% an unforced error.

[Hongbit]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

"unwilling"?

Should read, unwilling to come into work.  Her words, not mine. 

[Motown Bombers]

[oblong]

Now the term they are using is "price movements"

[CMRivdogs]

Too political for the investment thread

 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

this is why tariffs were the wrong way to go about any rebuild of US manufacturing in the first place. If the approach were via investment incentives, corporate governance reform, financial system reform that would reduce the profit in cannibalizing manufacturers, worker training support -the whole nine yards - THEN you could have have an evolutionary regrowth and an economy that continued to grow while changing. If Trump produces a recession in the name of helping US workers it will be 110% an unforced error.

Call it socialism or whatever you want, but I'd prefer federal price controls and a maximum wage/maximum compensation on corporate executives to tariffs.

[ewsieg]

3 hours ago, romad1 said:

This is a bad move for them.  The ones who do maintain their connection to their voters will survive. 

Unfortunately they are doing quite well in connecting to their voters via memes on Twitter.

[pfife]

3 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

Like most bullies, Trumplicans are cowards. 
 

 

Like 1 month in and theyre already scared of their constituents.

[oblong]

Dems should set up their own town halls and have a delegate on stage and put a cardboard cutout of the chicken GOP rep next to them.

 

[Tigerbomb13]

14 minutes ago, oblong said:

Dems should set up their own town halls and have a delegate on stage and put a cardboard cutout of the chicken GOP rep next to them.

 

Perfect opportunity 

[mtutiger]

I have no idea if the pullback is real or not, but can somebody explain what we are getting out of any of this?

[romad1]

1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

Unfortunately they are doing quite well in connecting to their voters via memes on Twitter.

as i said my Dad was at the town hall in Oceana County where the rep sent his staff and they were treated to blood howls from the crowd.  Those people are genuinely angry and scared.  The church group were writing letters to him over Ukraine, Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, the tarrifs and the disrespect that Trump has shown Canada.

[gehringer_2]

1 minute ago, mtutiger said:

I have no idea if the pullback is real or not, but can somebody explain what we are getting out of any of this?

well, one thing you absolutely will not get out of this kind of chaos is any re-shoring investment.

[romad1]

He chose cowardice and dishonor.

If he quits, he might get his soul back.

[CMRivdogs]

1 minute ago, romad1 said:

He chose cowardice and dishonor.

If he quits, he might get his soul back.

I think he's too deep in hock. But quitting may give him a chance in '28 against JD and Junior

[romad1]

3 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

I think he's too deep in hock. But quitting may give him a chance in '28 against JD and Junior

when you say "hock" do you mean Russian money?

[TJ Rollercoaster]

7 hours ago, ewsieg said:

I feel like I seek out and consume more news than most.  I also think most of you on this board are above average consumers as well.  So with that, can anyone tell me exactly what Canada and Mexico were supposed to do in order to avoid the Tariffs.  I understand that he feels the USMCA is a stupid deal and only a stupid person would sign it, and I agree with the latter portion, but I have not heard any specifics on what he was hoping to accomplish by threatening tariffs. 

Three guesses who signed the USMCA deal - first two don't count

You can probably guess the hype that was raised at the time it was signed

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Motown Bombers]

Boom boom bossman will get involved and diffuse a crisis he created.

 

[ben9753]

Trump folding like a wet paper bag. Weak. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

What a bitch, he couldn't even last a full day. 

[mtutiger]

Click on the post for all the screenshots... But Lutnick literally begging Doug Ford for an offramp...

My favorite part is Lutnick talking about how comments by Canadian politicians are being taken as personal attacks... Especially given Trump calling Canada the 51st State and referring to PM Trudeau as "Governor"

Edited Wednesday at 12:56 AM by mtutiger

[CMRivdogs]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

when you say "hock" do you mean Russian money?

Not sure about Vlad, but DJT owns his soul