Trumps Presidency 2025

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, Dan Gilmore said:

I find it incongruous that Bombers rants about Democratic purity tests, then rants about progressives (actually calling out a small fraction of same)  not being worthy of respect or inclusion. Every segment of the political arena has some fringe actors that like to act out. The vast majority of progressives I know are not in that small fringe. They are practical and pragmatic, knowing that change can be incremental and aligning with the nuts is bad for everyone. Progressives are not the problem. It is pretty clear who is, why waste time on slamming “the left”.

The left literally ran a campaign against Biden and then Harris. They are like the Tea Party from 2008. They try to primary Democrats who don't pass their purity tests. The Democratic party doesn't need to platform them. 

They were included. Biden included them and they turned their back on him. They are simply not trustworthy. 

[CMRivdogs]

‪J. R. Traas‬ ‪@jrtraas.bsky.social‬

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He also said “never before has an American president capitulated to any enemy; never before has an American president failed to support an ally against an enemy…”

 

Edited Wednesday at 05:13 PM by CMRivdogs

[ewsieg]

6 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said:

I find it incongruous that Bombers rants about Democratic purity tests, then rants about progressives (actually calling out a small fraction of same)  not being worthy of respect or inclusion. Every segment of the political arena has some fringe actors that like to act out. The vast majority of progressives I know are not in that small fringe. They are practical and pragmatic, knowing that change can be incremental and aligning with the nuts is bad for everyone. Progressives are not the problem. It is pretty clear who is, why waste time on slamming “the left”.

I don't think you're wrong, but MB isn't either. 

There is a difference about the far left and the far right in each party.  The far right may not think a republican is going far enough, but they will always get in line behind them.  The far left will attempt to humiliate and ostracize their person if they aren't doing everything they want.  Do most come around and still vote for their democrat, yes, but some abstain, some splinter off to the Stein's of the world, and for the rest that still do vote, they have given every independent out there cannon fodder against the dem they are still voting for.

In short, I can understand MB's rant, but it's in part due to the conviction of your far left.  While you don't want it hurting you, not sure you want to try and quell that conviction either. 

[CMRivdogs]

So immigrants have paid more in taxes than Trump's gang of Billionaire thieves. And he wants to deport them..(because)

 

 

[Motown Bombers]

8 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

I don't think you're wrong, but MB isn't either. 

There is a difference about the far left and the far right in each party.  The far right may not think a republican is going far enough, but they will always get in line behind them.  The far left will attempt to humiliate and ostracize their person if they aren't doing everything they want.  Do most come around and still vote for their democrat, yes, but some abstain, some splinter off to the Stein's of the world, and for the rest that still do vote, they have given every independent out there cannon fodder against the dem they are still voting for.

In short, I can understand MB's rant, but it's in part due to the conviction of your far left.  While you don't want it hurting you, not sure you want to try and quell that conviction either. 

Just look at the online ecosystem. You have numerous podcasts that are completely in the bag for Trump. Far left podcasts just attacked Biden and then Harris. The far left is mostly white. The base of the party has always been blacks. The Dems need to get back to their base. Biden got burned by trying to appease the left. 

[ewsieg]

I would prefer a democratic party that focused on class politics instead of identity politics, but i'm also a conservative and i'm hoping for a party that I could really get behind and realize my chance is better with a dem party, not a Trump party.

[Tigerbomb13]

32 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said:

I find it incongruous that Bombers rants about Democratic purity tests, then rants about progressives (actually calling out a small fraction of same)  not being worthy of respect or inclusion. Every segment of the political arena has some fringe actors that like to act out. The vast majority of progressives I know are not in that small fringe. They are practical and pragmatic, knowing that change can be incremental and aligning with the nuts is bad for everyone. Progressives are not the problem. It is pretty clear who is, why waste time on slamming “the left”.

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[romad1]

8 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

I would prefer a democratic party that focused on class politics instead of identity politics, but i'm also a conservative and i'm hoping for a party that I could really get behind and realize my chance is better with a dem party, not a Trump party.

I roll my eyes at a lot of identity politics but then, I'm sickened to my core by racists.   I know a lot of identity politics are just the "most convenient hammer" of people trying to get something from the system.   But I also know that racists f's exist and they do cause systemic problems. 

Class politics are also very weird.  I'm deeply offended as a middle class person to be the bastion of the tax base so a bunch of power and wealth-accumulating sickos can buy better Gulfstreams and bigger yachts without paying any taxes. 

[CMRivdogs]

 

[romad1]

Just now, CMRivdogs said:

 

And we know the public sector made up for that with all those summer internships my son's peer group lost this January. 

[romad1]

This will help those numbers!

 

[romad1]

 

This is being repeated at a bunch of agencies which rely on Congress for authorities and funding.  I am told that there are a lot of gray hair, glasses, and leather-patch-on-sleeves types who are morphing into Gandalf at Khazad-Dum. 

If i bothered with AI I would generate that image for you.  

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

and frankly Iran Contra, like most scandals 30-40 years ago, are such small potatoes compared to what we face today. 

 

that is pretty much what I was going to say. And TBH, I would not blame Reagan for what happened in the 30 yrs since he left office. Reagan was capable of changing his mind and he became a Republican not because he was in bed with the Oligarchs, but because he believed the left was hurting the working class. Given that, I would argue there is at least a 50/50 chance that when he saw what was happening to the middle class, he would have moved toward revised policies. When Reagan took office the most important issues on his plate were inflation and the Cold War and he dealt with those things about as successfully anyone could have asked.  Nobody was ruminating on the possible future of the middle class or making predictions it was at risk at that point in history.

Plus it's also not uncommon for 'movements' to end up claiming far more in the name of their founder than the founder would ever recognize - a fact in evidence  all around us everyday.

Edited Wednesday at 06:01 PM by gehringer_2

[Tigerbomb13]

8 minutes ago, romad1 said:

This will help those numbers!

 

After this and Alina’s comments (and Trump’s old comments on vets), I don’t want to hear any red hats say that Trump cares about veterans. He has disdain for them. 

[Hongbit]

16 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

 

We saw it last night and he will surely tweet it out again later today.   His favorite excuse.

It’s all Biden’s fault.

He will try to focus on blame but he’s got a big problem.  People want solutions.  They don’t care anymore about cause and want the person in charge to fix it.  
Many of these people voted for him and supported him 45 days ago.   Their patience for talk without actionable change is limited.    

He’s always found a way to con his people into believing him but he’s at risk of losing all but the core maga if he can’t get this economy headed in the right direction for the non millionaire class.  

Edited Wednesday at 06:07 PM by Hongbit

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

I thought that was one of the best parts of the speech.   She was speaking directly to Republicans with that line.  Reagan is still beloved by many in the party.  It’s very important to remind GOP members how far away from their core principles that Trump and his congressional bootlickers have strayed.  Russia is a perfect example of a nearly 180 degree flip from tradition.

Who exactly are we winning over with that type of praise on Reagan? That's the same kind of failed strategy we just tried last election by trotting out Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger on the campaign trail and hoping there was some moderate base of Republicans sitting around, ready to vote for Democrats. The Republican Party of Reagan is dead and gone. It's a MAGA Party now and fully controlled by Donald Trump. There aren't a magical group of old school, 1980s-style Republicans that Democrats can win over. Those people either don't really exist or have already decided to cross over and become Democrats.

Democrats need to win back over non-college educated, white working class people in the middle who may have voted Biden in 2020 and then Trump again in 2024. Voters who's brains aren't fully rotted out by MAGA. They need to win back over more young men under the age of 35 of all racial makeups. They need to hold down the fort on black men under 50 and stop the erosion of Latino men under 50. Pandering to some yesteryear of Ronald Reagan isn't going to do that with any of those demographic IMO.

Furthermore, if we're concerned about the assault on the federal workforce, let us not forget that started under Reagan. Reagan spent years trashing the federal government and federal employees. He fired air traffic controllers and made millions of Americans believe that nothing good can come out of the federal government. Reagan's rhetoric against federal bureaucrats and bureaucracy is part of the reason we ended up in this mess. 

Edited Wednesday at 06:19 PM by Mr.TaterSalad

[CMRivdogs]

Screw the stinking laws if they don't adhere to Trumpers agenda

 

[gehringer_2]

15 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

He fired air traffic controllers and made millions of Americans believe that nothing good can come out of the federal government. Reagan's rhetoric against federal bureaucrats and bureaucracy is part of the reason we ended up in this mess

Reagan fired the controllers for striking against the government. In the time since then, most states where public employee strikes were legal have also moved to make them illegal again. That was historically the norm before the 70' era and that is what is has returned to. The deal when you go to work for the people is that you don't go on strike. I think most people agree with that. And there is solid logic behind it. Public employees doing critical (and mostly monopoly) services have an outsized negotiating leverage which basically makes collective bargaining that is fair to the public side impossible if a strike threat is present.

Edited Wednesday at 06:32 PM by gehringer_2

[CMRivdogs]

 

[gehringer_2]

19 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Who exactly are we winning over with that type of praise on Reagan?

The case you are trying to make if that you care more about whether an idea is right or wrong than whose idea it was. Reagan was right on some very big issues and older Americans in particular remember that. That is what the larger public want to see leaders do. You gain credibility with a voter if show you are willing to act in the public interest instead of only party interest, and you do that by admitting when the other side gets something right.

Edited Wednesday at 06:38 PM by gehringer_2

[romad1]

Should be interesting to see how this plays out.  The professionals vs the hacks. 

[gehringer_2]

3 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Should be interesting to see how this plays out.  The professionals vs the hacks. 

I am so past expecting anything from Rubio.

Edited Wednesday at 06:39 PM by gehringer_2

[romad1]

Just now, gehringer_2 said:

I am so past expecting anything from Rubio.

He's an argument for why merit-driven politicians who know only that they are weak and must fight their way up out of the crab bucket are actually vulnerable and dangerous to rely on.  

The Brits with their upper-class twit model of fancy lads who can quit if they are displeased or dishonored is actually sorta better. 

[oblong]

12 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Reagan fired the controllers for striking against the government. In the time since then, most states where public employee strikes were legal have also moved to make them illegal again. That was historically the norm before the 70' era and that is what is has returned to. The deal when you go to work for the people is that you don't go on strike. I think most people agree with that. And there is solid logic behind it. Public employees doing critical (and mostly monopoly) services have an outsized negotiating leverage which basically makes collective bargaining that is fair to the public side impossible if a strike threat is present.

right.  their strike was an illegal act.  not just a violation of their contract but... illlegal.  They were given chances to not do it.

 

[Motown Bombers]

32 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Who exactly are we winning over with that type of praise on Reagan? That's the same kind of failed strategy we just tried last election by trotting out Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger on the campaign trail and hoping there was some moderate base of Republicans sitting around, ready to vote for Democrats. The Republican Party of Reagan is dead and gone. It's a MAGA Party now and fully controlled by Donald Trump. There aren't a magical group of old school, 1980s-style Republicans that Democrats can win over. Those people either don't really exist or have already decided to cross over and become Democrats.

Democrats need to win back over non-college educated, white working class people in the middle who may have voted Biden in 2020 and then Trump again in 2024. Voters who's brains aren't fully rotted out by MAGA. They need to win back over more young men under the age of 35 of all racial makeups. They need to hold down the fort on black men under 50 and stop the erosion of Latino men under 50. Pandering to some yesteryear of Ronald Reagan isn't going to do that with any of those demographic IMO.

Furthermore, if we're concerned about the assault on the federal workforce, let us not forget that started under Reagan. Reagan spent years trashing the federal government and federal employees. He fired air traffic controllers and made millions of Americans believe that nothing good can come out of the federal government. Reagan's rhetoric against federal bureaucrats and bureaucracy is part of the reason we ended up in this mess. 

Those white working class voters love Reagan. We are trying to win over the swing voters in purple districts.