Trumps Presidency 2025

[Tiger337]

22 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

You are correct on Harris, she only ran on 'she's not Trump', which was good enough for me, but not enough.  Overall the pendulum swung way left within our electorate on DEI, which folks on both sides recognizing it went too far.  That said, the Dem party expressed no concerns and openly endorsed DEI with no faults.  They ignored news that identified concerns regarding DEI overload and blew off concerns. 

And in true political form, the side that recognized the pendulum was way off, used it to their advantage and no longer cares about evening out that pendulum, they are swaying it as far as they can the other way, potentially wiping out many good aspects of DEI.  

In the end there is always going to be a balance between appeasing the far end of your party and trying to make sure they turn out and vote for you, and also keeping a message out that invites independents to vote for you as well. 

The GOP, for all the faults of Trump, their far right will vote for him regardless.  They don't have the problem the Dem party has with their far left.

It wasn't that they went too far, but they got way too preachy about it.  Constantly telling people that they are racist or misigonyst because they don't agree with every liberal idea about race and gender is not a good way to win elections.  As far as actual actions though, there has never been a time when females or non-whites had an advantages over white males.   White males have always had the advantage all things considered.    

[CMRivdogs]

14 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

It wasn't that they went too far, but they got way too preachy about it.  Constantly telling people that they are racist or misigonyst because they don't agree with every liberal idea about race and gender is not a good way to win elections.  As far as actual actions though, there has never been a time when females or non-whites had an advantages over white males.   White males have always had the advantage all things considered.    

And the current folks are taking it too far the other way imo

https://apnews.com/article/dei-purge-images-pentagon-diversity-women-black-8efcfaec909954f4a24bad0d49c78074

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WASHINGTON (AP) — References to a World War II Medal of Honor recipient, the Enola Gay aircraft that dropped an atomic bomb on Japan and the first women to pass Marine infantry training are among the tens of thousands of photos and online posts marked for deletion as the Defense Department works to purge diversity, equity and inclusion content, according to a database obtained by The Associated Press.

The database, which was confirmed by U.S. officials and published by AP, includes more than 26,000 images that have been flagged for removal across every military branch. But the eventual total could be much higher.

Just one small example. Deleting history

[chasfh]

Maybe I wasn’t paying close enough attention, but I do not get the sense that Democratic candidates were constantly telling people that they are racist or misigonyst because they don't agree with every liberal idea about race and gender. In fact, I’m struggling to recall any examples of Harris doing so during her campaign. 

[Tigerbomb13]

I don’t remember that either 

[Motown Bombers]

Leftist would say it and it gets attached to candidates like Harris and Biden, and if Harris and Biden don't parrot it, they are just Republicans. It's like Defund the Police and Abolish ICE. I have to imagine these things were made up by Republicans. 

[CMRivdogs]

15 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

And the current folks are taking it too far the other way imo

https://apnews.com/article/dei-purge-images-pentagon-diversity-women-black-8efcfaec909954f4a24bad0d49c78074

Just one small example. Deleting history

When you elect a moron...

 

[chasfh]

39 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Leftist would say it and it gets attached to candidates like Harris and Biden, and if Harris and Biden don't parrot it, they are just Republicans. It's like Defund the Police and Abolish ICE. I have to imagine these things were made up by Republicans. 

I don’t see how that cost them the election.

[Tiger337]

45 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Maybe I wasn’t paying close enough attention, but I do not get the sense that Democratic candidates were constantly telling people that they are racist or misigonyst because they don't agree with every liberal idea about race and gender. In fact, I’m struggling to recall any examples of Harris doing so during her campaign. 

They didn't say it. The past three Democratic Presidential candidates never said much of anything other than Trump sucks (which is good enough for me, but not everyone).  The idea that everyone is racist and misogynist is all over my social media. I have had to block some otherwise intelligent people.  I see non-presidential candidate politicians retweeting and supporting this stuff (mostly because the baseball people I follow retweet or like the retweets). 

[mtutiger]

What a ****show

[romad1]

10 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

What a ****show

Unfin believable

[chasfh]

36 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

They didn't say it. The past three Democratic Presidential candidates never said much of anything other than Trump sucks (which is good enough for me, but not everyone).  The idea that everyone is racist and misogynist is all over my social media. I have had to block some otherwise intelligent people.  I see non-presidential candidate politicians retweeting and supporting this stuff (mostly because the baseball people I follow retweet or like the retweets). 

You just said a few hours ago that constantly telling people that they are racist or misigonyst because they don't agree with every liberal idea about race and gender is not a good way to win elections. That reads directly like it’s candidate committing this electoral crime, because who else could lose a candidate’s election with such talk than the candidate themself?

[Motown Bombers]

 

[chasfh]

The red hats you know will parrot this line. Don’t let them get away with it. 

[Edman85]

11 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

He alone can't fix it.

[Tigerbomb13]

57 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

What a ****show

Just an unbelievable amount of incompetence. 

[Tigerbomb13]

So now these women that have babies, need to go to an SSA office to register their baby’s SSN…but SSA offices are being shuddered. Brilliant. 

[ewsieg]

3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Because lowering the cost of housing is bad? 

Because the only portion of her plan that she could enact by herself would have increased the cost of housing (what was it, 25k to every first time home buyer?)  Minds well add 25k to the sale price of every house once that is enacted. It would have increased inflation concerns, not lowered them.  Eventually it might take the feds to help with some lower priced single family housing, but she had no details on how felt the feds could control that.

[Tiger337]

38 minutes ago, chasfh said:

You just said a few hours ago that constantly telling people that they are racist or misigonyst because they don't agree with every liberal idea about race and gender is not a good way to win elections. That reads directly like it’s candidate committing this electoral crime, because who else could lose a candidate’s election with such talk than the candidate themself?

I explained myself in my next post.  I am here mostly to vent. I prefer to save this kind of he said she said stuff for the baseball forums!

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Because the only portion of her plan that she could enact by herself would have increased the cost of housing (what was it, 25k to every first time home buyer?)  Minds well add 25k to the sale price of every house once that is enacted. It would have increased inflation concerns, not lowered them.  Eventually it might take the feds to help with some lower priced single family housing, but she had no details on how felt the feds could control that.

Not everyone would qualify. It was only on for first time homebuyers, so no it wouldn't have raised the price of every home. 

[chasfh]

3 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Because the only portion of her plan that she could enact by herself would have increased the cost of housing (what was it, 25k to every first time home buyer?)  Minds well add 25k to the sale price of every house once that is enacted.

That works only if it’s a seller’s market. 

[chasfh]

28 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I explained myself in my next post.  I am here mostly to vent. I prefer to save this kind of he said she said stuff for the baseball forums!

I like you as a person, Lee, I think you know this. All respect due to you and your substantial intellect, please keep that in mind here.

You said essentially that Democrats lost the election because they constantly tell people that they are racist or misigonyst because they don't agree with every liberal idea about race and gender. And then, you acknowledged that the Democratic candidates themselves did not say this. That leaves only two options that I know of: (1) you believe it is actually the far left leftists whose statements along these lines cost the Democrats the election; or (2) you didn’t actually mean anything like this when you posted it. I’m not sure whether there is a third option, so maybe you can help me with that if there is.

Unless what you’re really saying is that you are here only to vent, and as such you don’t make serious comments on the political forum, so we should not take what you say seriously and should not respond to it as such, which, I think you understand that’s not how this forum works.

Sorry to be such a bulldog on this point—I’m kind of an Asperger‘s guy, so I’m hard-wired to be like that—but I’m generally very focused on trying to understand what people mean and trying to make sense of it. That’s where I’m actually coming from, not from a position of trying to hammer you and trip you up, although I acknowledge that they can look like the same thing a lot of times.

Edited Friday at 07:30 PM by chasfh

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

She ran on bringing down housing costs. She had a plan to provide down payment assistance and build millions of new housing. She ran on expanding Medicaid to cover the sandwich generation. She also ran on holding price gougers accountable. She didn't just run on not Trump. 

TBH, I was unimpressed on the housing rhetoric - sounded like mostly fantasy to me. It was all intention but thin on how to actual do the job.

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, gehringer_2 said:

TBH, I was unimpressed on the housing rhetoric - sounded like mostly fantasy to me. It was all intention but thin on how to actual do the job.

The sandwich generation thing appealed to me. My father is going to need around the clock care soon, and I can't count on Medicaid with Musk and his Dogebags. 

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

Maybe I wasn’t paying close enough attention, but I do not get the sense that Democratic candidates were constantly telling people that they are racist or misigonyst because they don't agree with every liberal idea about race and gender. In fact, I’m struggling to recall any examples of Harris doing so during her campaign. 

 

3 hours ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

I don’t remember that either 

 

3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Leftist would say it and it gets attached to candidates like Harris and Biden, and if Harris and Biden don't parrot it, they are just Republicans. It's like Defund the Police and Abolish ICE. I have to imagine these things were made up by Republicans. 

Do you remember Bill Clinton and the so called 'Sister Souljah' moment during his campaign? Likewise Obama as a candidate waffling on Gay Rights?   It seems every Democratic candidate is expected to explicitly disown part of the left wing in order to inoculate themselves with the larger electorate. GOP doesn't seem to have that problem.

[Motown Bombers]

4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

 

 

Do you remember Bill Clinton and the so called 'Sister Souljah' moment during his campaign? Likewise Obama as a candidate waffling on Gay Rights?   It seems every Democratic candidate is expected to explicitly disown part of the left wing in order to inoculate themselves with the larger electorate. GOP doesn't seem to have that problem.

Biden had to do that with Defund the Police.