Trumps Presidency 2025

[ewsieg]

26 minutes ago, Kacie said:

Spoken like an old white guy.  The people who wanted everyone to have an equal shot based on their qualifications are the bad guys.  It's called propaganda and you fell for it.  

Everyone but the Asians...those guys can f off, amirite?

[ewsieg]

And while DEI defenders will point to the 'mission statement' for DEI, most people (or I guess most old white guys and a larger amount of hispanics and AA's apparently too based on the last election) also equate DEI every time they hear about another school attempting to be renamed because Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, and even Dianne Feinstein aren't worthy. 

I get that's not the national dem party doing these things, but the party takes on the actions of its followers.  DEI began to take on these local actions and the national party wanted the praise for anything DEI related that it felt put it in a good light, but none of the baggage. 

[gehringer_2]

55 minutes ago, Kacie said:

Spoken like an old white guy.  The people who wanted everyone to have an equal shot based on their qualifications are the bad guys.  It's called propaganda and you fell for it.  

no, it was more than that. You don't get very far telling people they are bad people, especially ordinary people who know perfectly well that they don't harbor any animus toward the minority people they meet on the street and workplace. I think the 'micro-aggression' fixation I saw a lot of that a the 'U' was misdirected - micro-aggression is not the reason there are structural poverty issues in the minority community - and the fixation on that creates a pass for fixing the bigger economic resource issues that don't get addressed because they are harder to address and demand a re-examination of the way we do representative government in a segregated society. That's what is hard to change and why nothing has much changed 70yrs after Brown v BOE. The other is that objectively there was no accountability. DEI had become a cottage industry for a group of singularly unproductive professionals. Ten of millions spent and no actual increase in diversity. If you took the money UM spent on DEI and just gave free rides to a bunch of minority students and even hired each one a personal tutor to deal with the remediation issues,  it would have a much bigger impact on actually achieving diversity than any of the constant navel gazing by white people about white people that was going on.

Edited 22 hours ago by gehringer_2

[Edman85]

Why had I never heard anything about "DEI" until a couple years ago?

Just pulled this up on Google Trends. Cut it off in October to cut off some post-election mentions of it. A lot of the searches in the mid 2000's were related to Mater Dei High School.

Edited 20 hours ago by Edman85

[Tigerbomb13]

3 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Why had I never heard anything about "DEI" until a couple years ago?

Because the right needed a new boogeyman after critical race theory got old. 

[gehringer_2]

3 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Why had I never heard anything about "DEI" until a couple years ago?

depends what circles you intersect. Been a big/growing deal in academia for a more than a decade.

[Motown Bombers]

The first I heard of DEI was at work. We started mentioning it about four years ago. All that really came of it were some discussion groups. The company is run by right wingers. It’s still going on. 

[Edman85]

8 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

Because the right needed a new boogeyman after critical race theory got old. 

[Hongbit]

29 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Why had I never heard anything about "DEI" until a couple years ago?

Just pulled this up on Google Trends. Cut it off in October to cut off some post-election mentions of it. A lot of the searches in the mid 2000's were related to Mater Dei High School.

Amon-Ra St. Brown gives this a thumbs up.

[CMRivdogs]

18 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Why had I never heard anything about "DEI" until a couple years ago?

Just pulled this up on Google Trends. Cut it off in October to cut off some post-election mentions of it. A lot of the searches in the mid 2000's were related to Mater Dei High School.

I'm old enough to remember that during the mig 1970s and even into the 80s and early 90s radio and tv stations were required to document on their license renewal applications efforts they were making to hire women and minorities in key roles.

I was instructed to begin looking for an African American news announcer who "didn't sound black". And a woman announcer, probably for mid days or over nights. 
 

When I was doing traffic in the late 80s, I had a program manager on one of my affiliates tell me while I was doing a good job, he needed a woman so his "morning zoo" didn't sound like a homo club. He was right but at the time my "white male" ego was bruised. I was also probably too old for the format as while.

It's been around for a while. One party just added it to their list of conservative media grievances.   

[romad1]

1 hour ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

Because the right needed a new boogeyman after critical race theory got old. 

We downvoted James Madison University as a place to send our kid when parents seated with us in the orientation asked if they taught "critical race theory" at the school.  The very sweet and diligent kid who was giving the orientation gave a very controlled and non-dismissive answer but we were rolling with laughter.    It wasn't a downvote against JMU so much as "these goober virginia rurals are just goober" sort of downvote.  Kid preferred to go to MSU where his mom went.

[mtutiger]

Their arrogance is going to be our downfall...

[mtutiger]

3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

no, it was more than that. You don't get very far telling people they are bad people, especially ordinary people who know perfectly well that they don't harbor any animus toward the minority people they meet on the street and workplace. I think the 'micro-aggression' fixation I saw a lot of that a the 'U' was misdirected - micro-aggression is not the reason there are structural poverty issues in the minority community - and the fixation on that creates a pass for fixing the bigger economic resource issues that don't get addressed because they are harder to address and demand a re-examination of the way we do representative government in a segregated society. That's what is hard to change and why nothing has much changed 70yrs after Brown v BOE. The other is that objectively there was no accountability. DEI had become a cottage industry for a group of singularly unproductive professionals. Ten of millions spent and no actual increase in diversity. If you took the money UM spent on DEI and just gave free rides to a bunch of minority students and even hired each one a personal tutor to deal with the remediation issues,  it would have a much bigger impact on actually achieving diversity than any of the constant navel gazing by white people about white people that was going on.

 

2 hours ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

Because the right needed a new boogeyman after critical race theory got old. 

I actually agree with both G2 and TB13 here. Aspects of DEI itself are not popular and have fallen short of achieving the goals it set out to make. However, in the context of the campaign, speaking to Ed's Google search screenshot, it was all about creating a bogeyman to distract from other issues where Trump has liabilities. Some of which he is currently acting up on as POTUS.

The bigger piece is, recalling an interaction with Holic a day before the inauguration, is the blurring of the lines between the "DEI" bogeyman and the concepts of diversity, equity and inclusion in general. This administration in it's actions is overreaching, IMO, because it is acting like concepts like diversity and inclusion are unpopular... Even equity, which is probably the most problematic concept, isn't broadly unpopular. Polling since the election has continually showed it.

The American people broadly are not akin to Stephen Miller but they are treating them like they are. I hope there are consequences going forward 

[mtutiger]

Feels like it wasn't that long ago that Trump's administration was talking about kicking Canada out of Five Eyes... It appears they may not the ones kicking anything lol 

[romad1]

22 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Feels like it wasn't that long ago that Trump's administration was talking about kicking Canada out of Five Eyes... It appears they may not the ones kicking anything lol 

Interesting.  Big get for Saudi and Israel to join.   NSA has so many embedded GCHQ, ASD, CSIS and whatever the hell New Zealand calls their paddock/sheep monitoring SIGINT cells people and vice versa that this will be a complicated turn for all involved.

[LaceyLou]

I guess I'm a bit confused-my workplace has a DEIA program we all had to go through post-COVID/Floyd and focused mainly on ways we could learn about the backgrounds of people of different cultures and the best ways we could interact with each other respectfully. It's similar to what we used to call sensitivity training in the 90s and 00s. And while YMMV, I did notice workplaces becoming more, not less productive as a result of these programs. Or maybe we were just ready to change-who knows?

The point is... these were not programs designed to say that certain people were bad people. In fact, they assumed that people were NOT bad and thus would respond to the information once they learned. 

What I'm seeing happening in Washington right now: images of women and minorities being scrubbed from websites, along with a lot of other information. And the views of some of the people installed in Washington on women and minorities are more than a little alarming.

I'm more than aware that it's not only women and minorities being scrubbed from websites, but is another topic for another thread. Let's just say that this scrubbing is the digital version of a book burning, and leave it at that.

 

[Tiger337]

6 hours ago, Kacie said:

Spoken like an old white guy.  The people who wanted everyone to have an equal shot based on their qualifications are the bad guys.  It's called propaganda and you fell for it.  

LOL, Try to get to know posters a little bit before you post.  It makes the forums work better.  

The people who want diversity, equity and inclusion are definitely the good guys.  The problem is if you get too preachy about it, you end up pissing people off and we go backwards instead of forward and we are most certainly going backwards now.  

[Tiger337]

8 hours ago, pfife said:

maybe I'll look at the bright side here...

There's still a CDC?

Studying something where we already know the answer is not efficient.  But, I am just an analyst.  Give me some data and I'll crunch the numbers!

[Tiger337]

56 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

I guess I'm a bit confused-my workplace has a DEIA program we all had to go through post-COVID/Floyd and focused mainly on ways we could learn about the backgrounds of people of different cultures and the best ways we could interact with each other respectfully. It's similar to what we used to call sensitivity training in the 90s and 00s. And while YMMV, I did notice workplaces becoming more, not less productive as a result of these programs. Or maybe we were just ready to change-who knows?

 

 

I have not noticed any positive or negative effect from these progams, but that might be because where I work, they are preaching to the converted.    

[romad1]

 

Because he is implicitly a liar. 

[LaceyLou]

26 minutes ago, romad1 said:

 

Because he is implicitly a liar. 

I'm starting to see a resurfaced video of when Rubio said that in the future those in the media and in politics would have to explain their support for T... I wonder if he ever thinks back to that time? 

[Tiger337]

6 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

depends what circles you intersect. Been a big/growing deal in academia for a more than a decade.

Yup, it's been around for a long time at Brandeis.  Brandeis has always been based on social justice  

[LaceyLou]

6 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

depends what circles you intersect. Been a big/growing deal in academia for a more than a decade.

The idea has been around since the 90s, it was just called sensitivity training. I was first exposed to it in industry, fwiw. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

An estimated 9,000 people showed up for the Bernie Sanders and Shawn Fain rally today in Warren. They had an overflow room and then people waiting outside that Bernie went and spoke to because they couldn't get in.

I was there collecting volunteer signups for FundMiFuture for their 2026 Graduated Income Tax ballot drive. We got a lot of volunteer signups for FundMiFuture and lots of enthusiastic people committed to doing something in the midterms.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

The crowd was largely white, I'd estimate 80% white. Lots and lots of young people though and adults under 40-45. There was also a large turnout of women there, particularly young and middle aged suburban white women. I felt like I saw more women then men there today. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Mr.TaterSalad