Trumps Presidency 2025

[Tigermojo]

1 minute ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

 

Well I'm putting an infinity plus one tariff on everything nyah nyah

[pfife]

Hard to believe trump lied about egg prices

[CMRivdogs]

11 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

 

There are several better wineries in Charlottesville, Va. The one across the road owned by Dave Matthew's is much better. Jefferson Vineyards about a mile away from Trump's is also well run. 

[oblong]

this ****er is deliberately trying to engineer a war.  He wants an excuse to go after canada and europe.

And if you expect me to "support the troops" for that bull****?  Nope.  They are not robots.  Any soldier asked to fight for that has options.

Of course our usual defenders of this admin have fled like cowards because even they realize this is not good.

 

[Tigerbomb13]

3 minutes ago, oblong said:

this ****er is deliberately trying to engineer a war.  He wants an excuse to go after canada and europe.

And if you expect me to "support the troops" for that bull****?  Nope.  They are not robots.  Any soldier asked to fight for that has options.

Of course our usual defenders of this admin have fled like cowards because even they realize this is not good.

 

They know they don’t have any reasonable argument in defending this disaster. 

[Tigermojo]

4 minutes ago, oblong said:

this ****er is deliberately trying to engineer a war.  He wants an excuse to go after canada and europe.

And if you expect me to "support the troops" for that bull****?  Nope.  They are not robots.  Any soldier asked to fight for that has options.

Of course our usual defenders of this admin have fled like cowards because even they realize this is not good.

 

That's been Putin's goal the whole time, end democracy world wide.

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, casimir said:

Eggs are but one item in the store and there is a specific variable that's driving the pricing wonky.  I can look past that.  But the promises of expedited lowered prices across the store is null and void.

And this is reflecting in recent polling where, for maybe the first time ever, most Americans find themselves disapproving of Trump on the economy. And have expectation that the congenital obsession with tariffs will cause prices will rise

[Tiger337]

1 minute ago, oblong said:

this ****er is deliberately trying to engineer a war.  He wants an excuse to go after canada and europe.

And if you expect me to "support the troops" for that bull****?  Nope.  They are not robots.  Any soldier asked to fight for that has options.

Of course our usual defenders of this admin have fled like cowards because even they realize this is not good.

 

I would not blame the troops.  Most of them are young people, who may not know better or may be intimidated by authority.  I would blame people higher up. 

[chasfh]

The rhetoric is off by only 900 years. 

 

[chasfh]

12 minutes ago, oblong said:

this ****er is deliberately trying to engineer a war.  He wants an excuse to go after canada and europe.

And if you expect me to "support the troops" for that bull****?  Nope.  They are not robots.  Any soldier asked to fight for that has options.

Of course our usual defenders of this admin have fled like cowards because even they realize this is not good.

 

Perhaps they simply haven't been provided the correct rhetoric to defend it with. Give it a little time.

[Tiger337]

I don't get what's so special about MAGA's "America first".  We have ALWAYS been America first. Everything we do is done with America in mind first even if it also helps other countries in some way.  

[Motown Bombers]

I remember watching the South Park movie and the plot was so outrageous because the US went to war with Canada. here we are over 20 years later, and that plot isn't so outrageous. 

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, Tiger337 said:

I don't get what's so special about MAGA's "America first".  We have ALWAYS been America first. Everything we do is done with America in mind first even if it also helps other countries in some way.  

America first is code for white first. 

[CMRivdogs]

And another Trump meltdown. Who's in charge of hiding the Bomb box from him?

Edited 1 hour ago by CMRivdogs

[Tigermojo]

We've got two malignant narcissists with their fingers on the two biggest nuclear arsenals in the world. What could go wrong?

[mtutiger]

25 minutes ago, oblong said:

this ****er is deliberately trying to engineer a war.  He wants an excuse to go after canada and europe.

And if you expect me to "support the troops" for that bull****?  Nope.  They are not robots.  Any soldier asked to fight for that has options.

Of course our usual defenders of this admin have fled like cowards because even they realize this is not good.

 

This kind of hits at the fatal flaw in their thinking... They have assumed that their threats (and actions) will ratchet up pressure on Canadian and European governments and will automatically bring them to heel. Instead, they are basically causing rally around their flag effects elsewhere while, at home, our population is divided at best on the tariffs, and outright against conquests into Canada (in like the -60 to -70 range)

Their hubris will be our downfall as a country IMO

Edited 1 hour ago by mtutiger

[ewsieg]

11 hours ago, pfife said:

E, how do tarriffs allow for open markets?  That seems contradictory to me.    

Note he said open market, not free market.  A true open market has no barriers, not just no tariffs, but no regulatory differences, no government subsidies, no special tax or licensing...etc.   Additionally I took his statements as tariffs could lead to an open market, not that imposing them makes it an open market.

Country A is a capitalist country that makes X, Country B is communist and makes Y with subsidies.  Country A determines that subsidies allow B to make Y 4% cheaper due to those, so they agree to a 4% tariff on product Y to make up for the difference as X doesn't have that benefit.  We're essentially in a fair market at this point.  If Country B could decide to stay here, could decide to subsidize further to get an economic advantage (assuming it doesn't also cause a trade agreement reset) or what people that like tariffs for purposes of exacting change would say, Country B may push their company to be more efficient, eliminating the need for subsidies and pushing Country A to drop the tariff to match them, so now there are no further barriers, hence an open market.

All that said, what MAGA doesn't get is that trade is not simply we both build cars and we want open markets to sell them to each other, or we both build phones, etc.  It's I'm really good at producing X, you're good at Y, I'll sell you excess X, you sell me excess Y. We all benefit from efficiencies at being really good at something specific.

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

This kind of hits at the fatal flaw in their thinking... They have assumed that their threats (and actions) will ratchet up pressure on Canadian and European governments and will automatically bring them to heel. Instead, they are basically causing rally around their flag effects elsewhere while, at home, our population is divided at best on the tariffs, and outright against conquests into Canada (in like the -60 to -70 range)

Their hubris will be our downfall as a country IMO

It's basically Russia invading Ukraine. They thought Ukraine would fold in three days. Instead, the whole country rallied around their flag and the rest of the world supported Ukraine. Every last Canadian would take up arms and the rest of the world would support Canada. Christ, I would take up arms for Canada if they offered me citizenship. 

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, casimir said:

Eggs are but one item in the store and there is a specific variable that's driving the pricing wonky.  I can look past that.  But the promises of expedited lowered prices across the store is null and void.

Exactly. The egg price increase has a valid reason, the bird flu. It's the same reason normal people blew off the MAGA outrage at Joe Biden's economy...the "look at the price of eggs" argument never made much sense. And if Trump's administration is cutting medical research, the next pandemic could be right around the corner. Totally unchecked.

[mtutiger]

48 minutes ago, oblong said:

this ****er is deliberately trying to engineer a war.  He wants an excuse to go after canada and europe.

And if you expect me to "support the troops" for that bull****?  Nope.  They are not robots.  Any soldier asked to fight for that has options.

Of course our usual defenders of this admin have fled like cowards because even they realize this is not good.

 

Another thing, pivoting off of Oblong's post here, is what military recruitment looks like going forward.... if we have a President threatening military conflicts (such as invading Canada) that the general public largely doesn't believe in, that seems like it would be demoralizing for those already in uniform and would be extremely counterproductive to recruitment efforts

[CMRivdogs]

11 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Exactly. The egg price increase has a valid reason, the bird flu. It's the same reason normal people blew off the MAGA outrage at Joe Biden's economy...the "look at the price of eggs" argument never made much sense. And if Trump's administration is cutting medical research, the next pandemic could be right around the corner. Totally unchecked.

We are possibly watching the next epidemic slowly roll in with Measles. 

[CMRivdogs]

1 minute ago, mtutiger said:

Another thing, pivoting off of Oblong's post here, is what military recruitment looks like going forward.... if we have a President threatening military conflicts (such as invading Canada) that the general public largely doesn't believe in, that seems like it would be demoralizing for those already in uniform and would be extremely counterproductive to recruitment efforts

Or reenlistment rates. Living in a large military populated area it will be interesting to watch building and home selling rates in the near future. 
 

 

[Motown Bombers]

10 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Another thing, pivoting off of Oblong's post here, is what military recruitment looks like going forward.... if we have a President threatening military conflicts (such as invading Canada) that the general public largely doesn't believe in, that seems like it would be demoralizing for those already in uniform and would be extremely counterproductive to recruitment efforts

I was in college when the Iraq war started, and I thought that was so insane at the time and was never going to enlist, can't imagine what it would be like for a war with Canada. 

[Sports_Freak]

29 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I was in college when the Iraq war started, and I thought that was so insane at the time and was never going to enlist, can't imagine what it would be like for a war with Canada. 

Living almost right across the river from Canada, it concerns me. Not a lot because it won't be a battle war, it will be an economic war. A trade war that is bad for the citizens of both countries. Started by our ignorant "leader."

[Tiger337]

I don't think Trump wants a war with Canada.  He wants to bully and humiliate them into doing what he wants.  That's what he has done his whole life and he usually gets his way because of money and power.  If he does start a war with Canada though, I am not supporting it in any way.