Trumps Presidency 2025

[Motown Bombers]

It would be rich if AOC tries to primary Schumer after she melted down and blamed the Jews when Bowman got primaried.

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

 

I don't like the idea of something like this changing the face of the shutdown to that of Democrats.

[chasfh]

FWIW, I don't think AOC is anywhere near the Gaza Jane some think she is.

[Motown Bombers]

3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

FWIW, I don't think AOC is anywhere near the Gaza Jane some think she is.

But she supported Gaza Jamal and then blamed Jews when he lost. She did finally wakeup and was a Biden supporter until the end, unfortunately she spent three years attacking Dems and Biden. 

I think Eric Adams would have a better shot at a primary than AOC. 

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

But she supported Gaza Jamal and then blamed Jews when he lost. She did finally wakeup and was a Biden supporter until the end, unfortunately she spent three years attacking Dems and Biden.

You mean based on this?

https://nypost.com/2024/11/18/us-news/aoc-blames-pro-israel-group-for-democrats-2024-election-losses/

I don't buy NY Post spin.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, chasfh said:

You mean based on this?

https://nypost.com/2024/11/18/us-news/aoc-blames-pro-israel-group-for-democrats-2024-election-losses/

I don't buy NY Post spin.

I don't care what you buy, her and the squad go around and blame AIPAC when they lose to a Jew in a large Jewish district. 

[gehringer_2]

TBH, I think a shutdown is the wrong strategy for the Dems. Trumps favorability ratings are falling, he's still basically ignorant and incompetent and will continue to generate failure and need to walk back his missteps - why give him a foil to divert attention for all he is doing to lose support? It's the old line about not interrupting your enemy when he is making mistakes. Not to mention that you give him more excuse to push for greater 'emergency' freedom of action and huge additional leeway to pick and choose who to punish and who to reward.

Schumer's huge mistake was taking a position in the first place he now is walking back. Think it through before standing in front of the mics is always better. But the nearby microphone has always been Schumer's Achilles heel.

Edited 3 hours ago by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

12 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I don't care what you buy, her and the squad go around and blame AIPAC when they lose to a Jew in a large Jewish district. 

AIPAC is not "the Jews" They are a radical political organization which does not fairly represent American Jews who support Israel, as they themselves support only right-wing Israeli policy and viewpoints, which is why MAGA and the Red Hats profess to love them so much. 

By way of example, AIPAC lobbied Congress to invade Iraq in 2003, and then spent time and treasure for the next several years defending their lobbying of that. They were also a principle player in the Lawrence Franklin espionage scandal in which the DoD employee passed classified intelligence about Iran to them, which they turned around and gave to the state of Israel. More recently, they publicly backed dozens of racist, homophobic, QAnon-drenched election deniers during the past few elections, including Elise Stefanik, Scott Perry, Buddy Carter, Kat Cammack, and Burgess Owens. 

I don't think "the Jews" should be held responsible for the actions of AIPAC any more than they should be held responsible for controlling the world's banking system. You can equate Zionist extremists as "the Jews" if you like, and that's your privilege in a still-free-for-the-moment America. But I will continue to reject that idea.

[chasfh]

I think this is a closer representation of AOC than is anyone's convenient characterization of a hate-all-Jews AOC.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/rep-ocasio-cortez-slams-antisemitism-on-left-but-says-term-weaponized/

Washington, DC, on November 14, 2023. (Stefani Reynolds/AFP)

New York Jewish Week via JTA — Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez condemned antisemitism but accused her critics of “weaponizing” the term in a rare public discussion with two Jewish activists who have shined a spotlight on bigotry against Jews in the pro-Palestinian movement.

“Antisemitism, hate and violence against Jews because of their identity is real and it is dangerous,” the New York City Democratic congresswoman said at the start of the virtual discussion on Monday. She added, “When the Jewish community is threatened, the progressive movement is undermined.”

...

But later, she said, “It is also true that accusations and false accusations of antisemitism are wielded against people of color and women of color by bad-faith political actors, and weaponizing antisemitism is used to divide us.”

This sounds like a very reasonable position to me.

Edited 3 hours ago by chasfh

[ewsieg]

28 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

TBH, I think a shutdown is the wrong strategy for the Dems. Trumps favorability ratings are falling, he's still basically ignorant and incompetent and will continue to generate failure and need to walk back his missteps - why give him a foil to divert attention for all he is doing to lose support? It's the old line about not interrupting your enemy when he is making mistakes. Not to mention that you give him more excuse to push for greater 'emergency' freedom of action and huge additional leeway to pick and choose who to punish and who to reward.

Schumer's huge mistake was taking a position in the first place he now is walking back. Think it through before standing in front of the mics is always better. But the nearby microphone has always been Schumer's Achilles heel.

It's such a muddled mess to me, I can't figure out my own thoughts on this let alone what our elected officials should do.  It almost feels like Dems might be falling into a trap if the government shuts down. DOGE will do everything they can to keep furlowed employees from ever coming back.  At the same time I've been craving for someone/anyone to take a stand against Trump and not giving into the GOP on the budget is one way to do it. 

[Motown Bombers]

5 minutes ago, chasfh said:

AIPAC is not "the Jews" They are a radical political organization which does not fairly represent American Jews who support Israel, as they themselves support only right-wing Israeli policy and viewpoints, which is why MAGA and the Red Hats profess to love them so much. 

By way of example, AIPAC lobbied Congress to invade Iraq in 2003, and then spent time and treasure for the next several years defending their lobbying of that. They were also a principle player in the Lawrence Franklin espionage scandal in which the DoD employee passed classified intelligence about Iran to them, which they turned around and gave to the state of Israel. More recently, they publicly backed dozens of racist, homophobic, QAnon-drenched election deniers during the past few elections, including Elise Stefanik, Scott Perry, Buddy Carter, Kat Cammack, and Burgess Owens. 

I don't think "the Jews" should be held responsible for the actions of AIPAC any more than they should be held responsible for controlling the world's banking system. You can equate Zionist extremists as "the Jews" if you like, and that's your privilege in a still-free-for-the-moment America. But I will continue to reject that idea.

They also supported Hilary Clinton and Haley Stevens for example. It's weird that AOC couldn't just campaign for Bowman but had to blame a Jewish pac for his loss. They also blamed AIPAC for Cori Bush losing when AIPAC didn't even spend anything in that race. 

I also liked when AOC got upset when an incumbent Dem was primaried like Bowman apparently oblivious to the fact she is in congress because she primaried an incumbent Dem. 

[Motown Bombers]

5 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

It's such a muddled mess to me, I can't figure out my own thoughts on this let alone what our elected officials should do.  It almost feels like Dems might be falling into a trap if the government shuts down. DOGE will do everything they can to keep furlowed employees from ever coming back.  At the same time I've been craving for someone/anyone to take a stand against Trump and not giving into the GOP on the budget is one way to do it. 

I'm willing to see what the long game is on this. We are going to go through this again in a year. Republicans will be even less popular than. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

I guess the new position the AIPAC wing of the Democratic Party should be that invading Iraq and January 6th were good things?

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I guess the new position the AIPAC wing of the Democratic Party should be that invading Iraq and January 6th were good things?

The Iraq invasion was 22 years ago, get over it. Biden supported the Iraq invasion. Is he the AIPAC wing of the party? 

[Motown Bombers]

If Jamal Bowman doesn't turn into a nutcase and support terrorists who murdered Jews, he wouldn't have lost the most Jewish district in the country. It's funny how no one complains about all the funding Bowman got outside the district, especially Hamas supporters. Like Goerge Latimer said, his constituency was Dearborn. 

[gehringer_2]

20 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

At the same time I've been craving for someone/anyone to take a stand against Trump and not giving into the GOP on the budget is one way to do it. 

Sure - this is where the dilemma lies - a movement does need to 'move' to stay alive, yet good long term strategy is always the most important thing. The shutdown is a reasonable debate to have - but if the votes were not there, it's a debate the party needed to have in private then then unify around a necessary outcome even if they don't like it. The preference for the big gesture over the hard work of change is one of the left's easiest critiques ('virtue signaling' etc.) and that probably applies here as well.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

The Iraq invasion was 22 years ago, get over it. Biden supported the Iraq invasion. Is he the AIPAC wing of the party? 

People who take AIPAC money are the AIPAC wing of the party. January 6th wasn't 22 years ago and AIPAC chose to support insurrectionist candidates. If Warren's Progressive Change Campaign Committee or MoveOn or Democracy For America started supported insurrectionist candidates you'd be going crazy on here about it.

Over 4,000 American servicemembers dead and hundreds-of-thousands of Iraqi civilians. Yeah, you know, get over it.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

People who take AIPAC money are the AIPAC wing of the party. January 6th wasn't 22 years ago and AIPAC chose to support insurrectionist candidates. If Warren's Progressive Change Campaign Committee or MoveOn or Democracy For America started supported insurrectionist candidates you'd be going crazy on here about it.

Over 4,000 American servicemembers dead and hundreds-of-thousands of Iraqi civilians. Yeah, you know, get over it.

Well then in this **** sandwich election, I take the pro Israel candidate over the pro Hamas candidate. 

[Motown Bombers]

BTW, Jamaal Bowman did fundraise with Nihad Awad who praised Hamas killing Jews so you can **** right off with your purity test. 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

Trumps favorability ratings are falling, he's still basically ignorant and incompetent and will continue to generate failure and need to walk back his missteps - why give him a foil to divert attention for all he is doing to lose support?

appropos of that - from the UM consumer sentiment survey (courtesy of the Yahoo finance page)

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The latest University of Michigan consumer sentiment survey released Friday showed sentiment hit its lowest level since November 2022. The index slid to a reading of 57.9, below the 64.7 seen last month and the 63 expected by economists.

Pessimism over the inflation outlook soared again in March as one year-inflation expectations jumped to 4.9% from 4.3% the month prior. Just two months ago, consumers had only expected inflation of 3.3% over the next year.

Long-run inflation expectations, which track expectations over the next five to 10 years, climbed, too, hitting 3.9% in March, up from 3.4% in February. This marks the highest level of long-term inflation expectations since 1991. Also in the release, the expected change in unemployment hit its lowest level since the Great Financial Crisis.

 

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[mtutiger]

2 hours ago, ewsieg said:

It's such a muddled mess to me, I can't figure out my own thoughts on this let alone what our elected officials should do.  It almost feels like Dems might be falling into a trap if the government shuts down. DOGE will do everything they can to keep furlowed employees from ever coming back.  At the same time I've been craving for someone/anyone to take a stand against Trump and not giving into the GOP on the budget is one way to do it. 

This is mostly where I'm at.... this thing is a giant turd regardless, but voting for this CR sets the stage for them getting rolled on the debt ceiling and on taxes. 

I also wouldn't be surprised if Trump / GOP still get the lions share of the blame if a shutdown happens either given *waves hands around* literally everything going on

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Any scientist who voted for Trump SHOULD be ashamed of themselves.  The anti-science, anti-education and disregard for the truth becoming more and more prevalent in this country is going to destroy us more than anything.