Trumps Presidency 2025

[CMRivdogs]

In the end we are really becoming a Kleptocracy under Trump

 

[pfife]

54 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Younger voters are far more likely in the survey relative to other cohorts to believe that the US isn't going far enough to promote racial diversity - only 24% believe efforts go too far (see Question 40)

Do you read these things before firing takes off?

He bears false witness.   Repeatedly. 

[gehringer_2]

50 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

The fact that young folks are looking past the woke agenda is so encouraging. 

This is why I never got my panties in any kind of bunch over the supposed influence DEI at schools like UM on the larger culture.  All this stuff rolls mostly right off the kids' backs. It's millennial - and older - faculty that were the most charged up. The bulk of students just saw it as extra work and a distraction, and I'd guess for every student that got "proselytized" by it, one other was driven to become more conservative/reactionary. Personally I never saw anything particularly onerous in anything I was asked to participate in, my larger concern was always the return on investment on the resourced devoted to it.

Interestingly, from what I've been reading, the research on diversity program effectiveness done by business says stop talking about who is right and wrong or oppressed and oppressor and just spend the time educating people on how to have their antennae up and be more inoffensive - you play on people's natural predisposition to self-improvement.  And given that young people today tend to be deficient in sophisticated social skills today anyway, I can get behind that.

Also apparently, simply dropping the 'E' seems to make a difference in how people respond. Folks seem to be OK with "Diversity" and "Inclusion" but "Equity" immediately makes them think their own jobs are at risk. One analyst I heard discuss this said "Equity" is a problematic term because people don't parse the difference between "equity" and "equality" very well.

[mtutiger]

39 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

 

It's really telling how little they have talked about the economy since 11/6, that's all I'm gonna say

[CMRivdogs]

1 minute ago, mtutiger said:

It's really telling how little they have talked about the economy since 11/6, that's all I'm gonna say

It doesn't matter. Trump is getting richer from all the donations. That's all he cares about. He won't be around when'd the economy collapses, someone else will have to pick up the pieces.

And if he is he'll place the blame on somebody else and the MagaSheep will still bah against Liberals and the Woke

[mtutiger]

2 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

He won't be around when'd the economy collapses, someone else will have to pick up the pieces.

He may be around for it for all we know, but he's a lame duck who will never have to worry about it regardless.

5 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

And if he is he'll place the blame on somebody else and the MagaSheep will still bah against Liberals and the Woke

The MAGAs are irrelevant, its the middle of the electorate that matters. (Ie. The people that voted for him even if they couldn't stand him)

Don't be surprised, like Trump v1.0 and Biden, if he loses support as time goes on from these sorts of people when things don't go to plan

[pfife]

15 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Also apparently, simply dropping the 'E' seems to make a difference in how people respond. Folks seem to be OK with "Diversity" and "Inclusion" but "Equity" immediately makes them think their own jobs are at risk. One analyst I heard discuss this said "Equity" is a problematic term because people don't parse the difference between "equity" and "equality" very well.

I have seen many instances where the RW makes the distinction accurately and hates equity more than equality

[oblong]

So does the tiktok thing go here?  Will this be the first big test on GOP “unity”?  Tom Cotton with a strongly worded tweet. 

[mtutiger]

24 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Also apparently, simply dropping the 'E' seems to make a difference in how people respond. Folks seem to be OK with "Diversity" and "Inclusion" but "Equity" immediately makes them think their own jobs are at risk. One analyst I heard discuss this said "Equity" is a problematic term because people don't parse the difference between "equity" and "equality" very well.

I use the term "thermostatic reaction" a lot, but this is a perfect example where the incoming administration, by ignoring that relative acceptance of diversity and inclusion, is absolutely susceptible to overreach and backlash. 

Most people aren't Stephen Miller or view the world like him, yet he will be a major voice in this administration.

Edited Sunday at 06:18 PM by mtutiger

[CMRivdogs]

14 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

He may be around for it for all we know, but he's a lame duck who will never have to worry about it regardless.

The MAGAs are irrelevant, its the middle of the electorate that matters. (Ie. The people that voted for him even if they couldn't stand him)

Don't be surprised, like Trump v1.0 and Biden, if he loses support as time goes on from these sorts of people when things don't go to plan

I'm more worried about the people like Musk, Kennedy and the other Kleptocrats he's drug along with him. The country is turning from a Democratic Republic to a Kleptocracy or as Grover Cleveland called it "The Communism of pelf"

Edited Sunday at 06:22 PM by CMRivdogs

[Tigerbomb13]

MAGA is really ****in’ weird

[mtutiger]

16 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I use the term "thermostatic reaction" a lot, but this is a perfect example where the incoming administration, by ignoring that relative acceptance of diversity and inclusion, is absolutely susceptible to overreach and backlash. 

Most people aren't Stephen Miller or view the world like him, yet he will be a major voice in this administration.

Put another way, if the incoming administration acts like the problem is "DEI" when, in reality, the problem is just with the "E"... It's not hard to see where issues could arise

[gehringer_2]

20 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

"The Communism of pelf"

One interpretation of Cleveland is that he believed it was the government that was the primary culprit in mal-distribution of wealth because of a highly regressive regulatory and tax-system (largely tariffs in the pre-income tax days). So he might have a foot in both the left (anti-wealth disparity) and right (anti-government 'interference') in today's paradigms. 

Some of the leaders around the turn of century were pretty economically radical. Hayes apparently favored nearly total inheritance taxes. 

With money running US politics today, no leader today can be as patently anti-rich as some of those guys were. There are certain steps that a system may take that turn out to be irreversible, and it appear to me that Citizen's United was one of those. We've politically empowered monied interests to the point where they can stop the political process from ever controlling them again.

If the US fails to repair its broken politics and thus ultimately fails - and right now I see little prospect of that repair, CU will be the root cause. 

Edited Sunday at 06:41 PM by gehringer_2

[Tigeraholic1]

29 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

MAGA is really ****in’ weird

Not supporting this circus but I remember seeing African American middle aged women not impressed with Cardi B performing WAP “Wet Ass Pussy” in front of them at a Harris Rally. 

[CMRivdogs]

You find the dumbest things to get upset about. Nobody cares.

3 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Not supporting this circus but I remember seeing African American middle aged women not impressed with Cardi B performing WAP “Wet Ass Pussy” in front of them at a Harris Rally. 

 

[ben9753]

6 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Not supporting this circus but I remember seeing African American middle aged women not impressed with Cardi B performing WAP “Wet Ass Pussy” in front of them at a Harris Rally. 

I have no idea what any of this means, but if you’re offended by a song but not by your guy bragging about grabbing women by the pussy, I’d say you’re full of ****. 

[Tigeraholic1]

10 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

You find the dumbest things to get upset about. Nobody cares.

 

Doesn’t offend me at all, just pointing to yet another reason she came up short. Believe me, I am unburden by what has been. 😂
 

[mtutiger]

13 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Doesn’t offend me at all, just pointing to yet another reason she came up short. Believe me, I am unburden by what has been. 😂
 

The amount of times that you reference this last election and say "but Kamala"... suggests otherwise

[mtutiger]

34 minutes ago, ben9753 said:

I have no idea what any of this means...

Me neither tbh

[Tigerbomb13]

46 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Not supporting this circus but I remember seeing African American middle aged women not impressed with Cardi B performing WAP “Wet Ass Pussy” in front of them at a Harris Rally. 

Cool story

[Tigeraholic1]

40 minutes ago, ben9753 said:

I have no idea what any of this means, but if you’re offended by a song but not by your guy bragging about grabbing women by the pussy, I’d say you’re full of ****. 

Again, not offend just an observation. 

[CMRivdogs]

Sounds like your typical Trump rally

[Tigeraholic1]

Woof, they got some work to do…

Overall, just 33% of all Americans express a favorable view of the Democratic Party, an all-time low in CNN’s polling dating back to 1992. 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/19/politics/democrats-party-change-cnn-poll/index.html

[mtutiger]

9 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Woof, they got some work to do…

Overall, just 33% of all Americans express a favorable view of the Democratic Party, an all-time low in CNN’s polling dating back to 1992. 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/19/politics/democrats-party-change-cnn-poll/index.html

Meanwhile 36% express a favorable view of he GOP... which is really no better?

You keep sharing these polls and using them to spike the football when they all kinda show that the GOP / Trump aren't really well liked either. 

Weird 

[CMRivdogs]

They just want it to be a small private affair.