gehringer_2 Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Those e-mails likely cost her the election. She seemed to be cruising to victory until the FBI brought them up again shorly before the election. That and lackluster debate performances after the first. I think with Hillary there were a lot of people looking for an excuse to justify not voting for her because they just didn't like her or it was expected in their social circles that they shouldn't like her, so- having the FBI validating that 'there must have been something going on' played into that in big way IMO. What frosted me is that Obama could deflected the whole episode onto himself and left it clear for Hillary by just saying that the White House knew what she was doing (which of course had to be true anyway) and decided to give her a pass on it. But there was some weird dynamic going on there where Obama was there helping grease the skids early to get HIllary the nomination, but then left her hanging out to dry when he could have helped her. Really have never understood it. Maybe just more of Obama's "I'm above politics" act, which he suffered from to his party's detriment. Edited March 28 by gehringer_2 Quote
mtutiger Posted March 28 Posted March 28 8 hours ago, ewsieg said: When will people realize that there is a very thin line, and sometimes no line at all, between the 'well they did this!' response to an issue. Seems like today's right wing response to this leaked text is 'but Hillary's emails!'. Aren't you kind of saying that issue, which you felt was such a big deal before, is no longer a big deal? Or if you're trying to compare it, aren't you admitting this is a big deal? I don't get it. Actually made this point to a colleague at work this week... He fell back on some sort of morally relativistic "everything's just so partisan" argle bargle. Which kinda makes the point that this stuff is really really hard to defend on the merits. Quote
romad1 Posted March 28 Posted March 28 40 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Actually made this point to a colleague at work this week... He fell back on some sort of morally relativistic "everything's just so partisan" argle bargle. Which kinda makes the point that this stuff is really really hard to defend on the merits. Pam Blondie is gonna try to stress the outcome and just ignore the crime. Quote
Tigerbomb13 Posted March 28 Posted March 28 Of all the evil things this administration has done, sending migrants who may or may not be gang members with zero due process here is among the most despicable. This is a mega prison in El Salvador where prisoners are beaten, starved, and killed. Not all of them are gang members. And here is this melted plastic hag dehumanizing them. Disgusting. 2 1 Quote
ewsieg Posted March 28 Posted March 28 I went back and did a quick review with Hillary's emails. Much more similarities than I had remembered. The Same * Both were tied to wanting handheld devices to communicate. (now via app on smartphone, then blackberry) * Both, while unintentional, had classified info (now because Hegseth doesn't understand classification guidelines,then in part due to bad classification) * No harm came from the outcome of choosing to use their own method. Any differences? Hmm, maybe the fact that you actually brought in a person into that communication before the strike that you would go on to publicly state that they basically hate America. So at minimum, you're admitting you got lucky. Quote
ewsieg Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On a side note, for awhile I had a security clearance and worked as a government contractor. We would have to use government approved pc's using government approved web conferences with each of those using government approved log in methods. On top of that, someone was required to take the lead on a call and document everyone on the call. And document is a loose word, as we would question who they were if we didn't recognize them and once we sat on a pri-1 outage call for 5 minutes without doing anything because 1 person refused to drop from the call where another person from the same department was unaware of who that person was. Turned out to be a legit employee that was covering another team and once a manager on their end confirmed it, we continued on with the call. Quote
chasfh Posted March 28 Posted March 28 12 hours ago, Tiger337 said: FBI infiltrates Catholic groups? Are they going after the Catholics already? Oh, no, Catholics are the good guys nowadays, for the moment, anyway. Hell, Catholics might even qualify as honorary Christians for the time being. This is what they mean. Quote
chasfh Posted March 28 Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: Unless I'm misunderstanding his statement, this is the first time I've ever heard a politician on either side admit that people voted against Kamala simply because she's a black woman. Quote
Tiger337 Posted March 28 Posted March 28 7 minutes ago, chasfh said: Oh, no, Catholics are the good guys nowadays, for the moment, anyway. Hell, Catholics might even qualify as honorary Christians for the time being. This is what they mean. Based on the story, "radical traditional Catholics" are the bad guys. What exactly does that mean? Quote
Deleterious Posted March 28 Posted March 28 Just now, Tiger337 said: Based on the story, "radical traditional Catholics" are the bad guys. What exactly does that mean? Football teams that won't join the Big Ten. 1 Quote
chasfh Posted March 28 Posted March 28 27 minutes ago, ewsieg said: I went back and did a quick review with Hillary's emails. Much more similarities than I had remembered. The Same * Both were tied to wanting handheld devices to communicate. (now via app on smartphone, then blackberry) * Both, while unintentional, had classified info (now because Hegseth doesn't understand classification guidelines,then in part due to bad classification) * No harm came from the outcome of choosing to use their own method. Any differences? Hmm, maybe the fact that you actually brought in a person into that communication before the strike that you would go on to publicly state that they basically hate America. So at minimum, you're admitting you got lucky. I tell you the only relevant difference: the question of Hillary's emails was asked and answered during that campaign and is now firmly in the rear-view mirror, while the Signal debacle is a clear and present danger to American security today within the current sitting government. So, relitigating Hillary's emails is nothing more, nothing less, than a dodge in order to excuse the current criminal behavior happening right now, not nine years ago. 1 Quote
chasfh Posted March 28 Posted March 28 2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Based on the story, "radical traditional Catholics" are the bad guys. What exactly does that mean? I'm pretty sure the FBI is the bad guy in the story. Quote
ewsieg Posted March 28 Posted March 28 8 minutes ago, chasfh said: I tell you the only relevant difference: the question of Hillary's emails was asked and answered during that campaign and is now firmly in the rear-view mirror, while the Signal debacle is a clear and present danger to American security today within the current sitting government. So, relitigating Hillary's emails is nothing more, nothing less, than a dodge in order to excuse the current criminal behavior happening right now, not nine years ago. I definitely get they are trying to use it to dodge, my only point is aren't you actually admitting how much you screwed up if your comparing it to something you previously made clear was one of your biggest complaints about your opponent in the last 20 years? Quote
Tiger337 Posted March 28 Posted March 28 10 minutes ago, chasfh said: I'm pretty sure the FBI is the bad guy in the story. I understand, but I'm still curious about the term "radical traditional Catholic" Radical and traditional don't usually go together. Quote
Tigerbomb13 Posted March 28 Posted March 28 Can we deport this ****bag to an El Salvadoran prison instead? Quote
chasfh Posted March 28 Posted March 28 23 minutes ago, ewsieg said: I definitely get they are trying to use it to dodge, my only point is aren't you actually admitting how much you screwed up if your comparing it to something you previously made clear was one of your biggest complaints about your opponent in the last 20 years? I'm pretty sure they don't see it that way. They don't spend any time comparing one to the other. The point of the exercise is to supplant Signalgate with Hillary's Emails in the public conversation. Quote
chasfh Posted March 28 Posted March 28 23 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I understand, but I'm still curious about the term "radical traditional Catholic" Radical and traditional don't usually go together. True, although I think in this case the tradition being referred to is so retrograde and out of touch with modern values that it would have to be regarded as being radical. Quote
romad1 Posted March 28 Posted March 28 4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: So long as Tesla benefits from the demise of the US auto industry, this WH will be happy. Quote
antrat Posted March 28 Posted March 28 I just bought a new car in November, thank God. This moron is going to wreck this economy and the cult will blame Biden and Clinton. Oh, and Obama. If we ever have free elections in this country again and a Democrat takes office, they will have a gigantic mess on their hands. But the way they intend to dismantle the post office will hurt mail in ballots. I also expect them to not certify elections. Including the incoming president. You think couch f*cker will have the balls that Pence did? Quote
oblong Posted March 28 Posted March 28 59 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I understand, but I'm still curious about the term "radical traditional Catholic" Radical and traditional don't usually go together. as chas alluded to... in terms of the Catholic Church it can make sense. The ones who want to go back to the Latin mass and reject Vatican II are now seen as radical yet they are wanting to go back to the "good old days". I think Vance belongs to that type. Quote
romad1 Posted March 28 Posted March 28 19 minutes ago, antrat said: I just bought a new car in November, thank God. This moron is going to wreck this economy and the cult will blame Biden and Clinton. Oh, and Obama. If we ever have free elections in this country again and a Democrat takes office, they will have a gigantic mess on their hands. But the way they intend to dismantle the post office will hurt mail in ballots. I also expect them to not certify elections. Including the incoming president. You think couch f*cker will have the balls that Pence did? My wife got her car right after the election too. Couch****er is a homonculous creation of Peter Thiel. No... 1 Quote
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