Trumps Presidency 2025

[CMRivdogs]

Somebody tell the 400 thousand souls who died from COVID under Orange Tubby's first Regiem

 

Edited Monday at 01:45 PM by CMRivdogs

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

I am an Eagle Scout (once an Eagle, always an Eagle they say). Our troop was in a small town with a great leader and program that probably can't be duplicated now. Most every kid who stuck with it attained the rank.

My son tried scouts, just wasn't his interest. I probably wasn't much help since my work hours at the time conflicted with troop events. I was also a bit critical of the adult leadership at the time (30 plus years ago). 
 

Times change and scouting has tried to keep up. I guess being Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Brave, Clean and Reverent is considered to the antithesis of the current group of our nation's leaders. 

Loyal, they like. That is, in fact, a non-starter for them. Everything else is negotiable at best, or otherwise unnecessary.

[oblong]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

I am an Eagle Scout (once an Eagle, always an Eagle they say). Our troop was in a small town with a great leader and program that probably can't be duplicated now. Most every kid who stuck with it attained the rank.

My son tried scouts, just wasn't his interest. I probably wasn't much help since my work hours at the time conflicted with troop events. I was also a bit critical of the adult leadership at the time (30 plus years ago). 
 

Times change and scouting has tried to keep up. I guess being Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Brave, Clean and Reverent is considered to the antithesis of the current group of our nation's leaders. 

I will play "boomer" and say we all did a double take when we saw there was a "video game" badge.

"What kind of fun is it when we can't swim naked anymore because of the girls around?"

 

[CMRivdogs]

Just now, chasfh said:

Loyal, they like. That is, in fact, a non-starter for them. Everything else is negotiable at best, or otherwise unnecessary.

Especially friendly, courteous and kind     

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Looks to me as though they don’t want to raise boys to be thoughtful and sensitive. Looks as though they would prefer to raise boys to be inconsiderate and aggressive. Perhaps they have a particular vision in mind for what role in society such boys will fill.

My mother was our cub scout leader.  She was very kind to all of them and they loved her except for Phil.  I think she generally followed the cub scout manual as to what activities we would do each week.  Phil was a punk and nobody liked him.  One week, we were building a bird house and he got jealous because another kid was building a better one than him.  So, he started a fight with the other kid.  My mother kicked him out of the house, and went ballistic screaming and making gestures as he left.  MAGA would have supported Phil.  

[Motown Bombers]

 

[CMRivdogs]

35 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

My mother was our cub scout leader.  She was very kind to all of them and they loved her except for Phil.  I think she generally followed the cub scout manual as to what activities we would do each week.  Phil was a punk and nobody liked him.  One week, we were building a bird house and he got jealous because another kid was building a better one than him.  So, he started a fight with the other kid.  My mother kicked him out of the house, and went ballistic screaming and making gestures as he left.  MAGA would have supported Phil.  

I was shanghaied one year into becoming a den leader. Was told there wasn't any space for my son if I didn't take the position. The first year .my schedule wasn't exactly friendly for weekday afternoons, my job ended around 6:30 and it made it tight.

I gave it a try anyway.I think they gave me most of the "problem kids"  Gave the kids cookies or other sugary treats at the end of the meeting and sent them home on a sugar high. They found someone the next year. I was happy as the "assistant"

Edited Monday at 02:24 PM by CMRivdogs

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

My mother was our cub scout leader.  She was very kind to all of them and they loved her except for Phil.  I think she generally followed the cub scout manual as to what activities we would do each week.  Phil was a punk and nobody liked him.  One week, we were building a bird house and he got jealous because another kid was building a better one than him.  So, he started a fight with the other kid.  My mother kicked him out of the house, and went ballistic screaming and making gestures as he left.  MAGA would have supported Phil.  

Phil went ballistic.  Not my mom!

[Motown Bombers]

I was driving down 12 Mile and there is a house with a flagpole in the front yard and a large American flag. Just underneath the American flag is a flag of Trump raising his fist after being shot at. Tell me this not a cult. 

[gehringer_2]

13 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

She may have done what she had to do politically, but if a Republican groveled to Trump, that person would be ridiculed here (Rubio or Graham for example).  She's fair game.  

But to Rob's point, is that ridicule any part of winning politics?

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

Times change and scouting has tried to keep up. I guess being Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Brave, Clean and Reverent is considered to the antithesis of the current group of our nation's leaders. 

Like other all-male bastions (eg, the RCC) BSA was rocked by and still trying to put itself back together again after all the sexual abuse scandals. Getting a little more 'woke' is the exact antidote what had been going on under the cover of raising 'men to be men'.

[oblong]

36 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

But to Rob's point, is that ridicule any part of winning politics?

And I don't see where she "groveled".  She's a governor of a state impacted by tariffs and he's the president.  She shouldn't ignore him.  

Senators have different jobs.  They don't govern states.

 

[romad1]

29 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Like other all-male bastions (eg, the RCC) BSA was rocked by and still trying to put itself back together again after all the sexual abuse scandals. Getting a little more 'woke' is the exact antidote what had been going on under the cover of raising 'men to be men'.

My grandfather was the executive for scouting for a US State in the 1930s and my dad relays that they had a list provided to them by the State Police that were adults who were not fit to be scout leaders.  It seems that this is a known issue even in supposedly the idyllic past.

I do not recall when I was a kid them saying anything at all about never alone with a scout but I do recall that from my son's time in scouting.

[Motown Bombers]

4 minutes ago, oblong said:

And I don't see where she "groveled".  She's a governor of a state impacted by tariffs and he's the president.  She shouldn't ignore him.  

Senators have different jobs.  They don't govern states.

 

You don't get anything from Trump without groveling and a little quid pro quo. She should have known that. No other governor got played like that. It only hurts her politically. She was going to have a tough go because there is a deep bench, but this really damaged her. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

9 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

You don't get anything from Trump without groveling and a little quid pro quo. She should have known that. No other governor got played like that. It only hurts her politically. She was going to have a tough go because there is a deep bench, but this really damaged her. 

This. Most everything with Trump is either to feed his own ego or transactional where he gets something out of it in the end. Either his ego was being fed by this Whitmer visit, which meant she almost certainly had to grovel to do so or she outright made a deal of some kind with him so that he would be perceived to benefit in some way.

[oblong]

20 minutes ago, romad1 said:

My grandfather was the executive for scouting for a US State in the 1930s and my dad relays that they had a list provided to them by the State Police that were adults who were not fit to be scout leaders.  It seems that this is a known issue even in supposedly the idyllic past.

I do not recall when I was a kid them saying anything at all about never alone with a scout but I do recall that from my son's time in scouting.

Our pack was chartered through a Catholic Church so you had that double whammy.... anybody in the church who was in "charge" of kids, be it through coaching as a sports team, or whtever, had to do training called "Protecting God's Children".  And with Scouts we had our own training.  

Frankly some of it is good advice.  One big one was the buddy rule.  THe kids should not ever be alone.  Find a buddy.  And for adults we were never to be around kids unless another adult was around.

 

[oblong]

21 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

You don't get anything from Trump without groveling and a little quid pro quo. She should have known that. No other governor got played like that. It only hurts her politically. She was going to have a tough go because there is a deep bench, but this really damaged her. 

Did she give up anything?   I couldn't care less about the politics of it or how it hurts her and if she is thinking about that then she's not doing her job.  She's governing Michigan, not running for President.

What harm was caused?  Maybe she didn't get anything but did she give up anything? 

[Tigerbomb13]

You heard it here. The courts no longer matter in the United States 

[Tiger337]

14 minutes ago, oblong said:

Our pack was chartered through a Catholic Church so you had that double whammy.... anybody in the church who was in "charge" of kids, be it through coaching as a sports team, or whtever, had to do training called "Protecting God's Children".  And with Scouts we had our own training.  

Frankly some of it is good advice.  One big one was the buddy rule.  THe kids should not ever be alone.  Find a buddy.  And for adults we were never to be around kids unless another adult was around.

 

I understand the rule, but I think it's sad that t has to be that way. I don't think teaching children that adults are to be feared and mistrusted is a good lesson.  

[oblong]

45 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I understand the rule, but I think it's sad that t has to be that way. I don't think teaching children that adults are to be feared and mistrusted is a good lesson.  

The way it was implemented wasn't to tell the kids it had to be that way but for the adults to pay attention.  So I wouldn't tell a kid to leave or whatever, but rather "Hey, follow me, let's go over there to where Dave is."  I'm not even sure they knew it was a rule. 

[Tigerbomb13]

This. Throw Rubio and Miller in there as well. 

Edited Monday at 05:17 PM by Tigerbomb13

[Tigerbomb13]

Peaceful protest in favor of Palestinians - get deported with no due process with the excuse being “anti-semitism”

Burn down and attempt to murder the Jewish Democratic governor of Pennsylvania - this is probably the only thing you’ll hear about it from him. Will the perpetrator get a pardon?

 

[Tigerbomb13]

U.S. citizens could be the next sent to these torture prisons 

[romad1]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

I understand the rule, but I think it's sad that t has to be that way. I don't think teaching children that adults are to be feared and mistrusted is a good lesson.  

The fact is that it’s men who are the main issue.  They teach kids to find a woman if they are lost.   They hire women to work in mortuaries.  Men have breakable brains.

[romad1]

55 minutes ago, oblong said:

The way it was implemented wasn't to tell the kids it had to be that way but for the adults to pay attention.  So I wouldn't tell a kid to leave or whatever, but rather "Hey, follow me, let's go over there to where Dave is."  I'm not even sure they knew it was a rule. 

I’m coaching and frequently we have extended waits for parents to arrive to pickup the last kid from practice.  I beg another parent or assistant coach to stick around to avoid any appearance of problems.