Trumps Presidency 2025

[ewsieg]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

You have to admit, Trump was pretty good at messaging to Hispanics. He said they were all murderers and rapist from a floating island of garbage who are poisoning the blood of Americans and they are eating all the dogs and cats and must be deported immediately. How would you not vote for that?

So, I get the point you're making, but when I hear this stuff it makes me feel like democrats haven't learned anything.  

Has he said some despicable stuff, absolutely.  But he did gain numbers with hispanics.  Instead of laughing at how absurd that is, it might be better for democrats to try and understand why instead of using their own biases to laugh it off.  For instance, hispanics live in greater numbers near the southern border.  What major issue did we have (for issues much more complex than just immigration policy) down there?  The same major issue that blue states and blue cities realized was an issue after Abbot, DeSantis (and Biden, folks forget that) started sending migrants to their communities.  It's clear that in just the last year or two democrats finally get it, but yet they are surprised it hurt them at the ballot box.  Stop expecting votes because you think you're better and start working for them.  

[CMRivdogs]

Just reflect that just over 6 months ago the voters chose Barrabas

[ewsieg]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

One of my main arguments to Trumpers. Cheer the guys who received pardons for committing crimes against the government (breaking and entering, assault) and went thru the judicial process, yet a guy who was accused but never charged or had a trial is guilty because he's from a different country.  They're all hypocrites and liars.

I apologize if I posted this recently.  I seem to remember telling someone about this but a quick check doesn't look like I did it here.  I grew up with a kid that went on to become a lawyer.  He sells hats saying 'not guilty' and is always talking about the injustice of the police and prosecutors against citizens.  If you need a lawyer, probably the type of guy you want.  Based on that you'd think he was left leaning, nope, full on MAGA.  He just posted something about how the media narrative on the MS-13 leader (that was so bad at it he had to go get a union job apparently) is so wrong and used the WH's narrative as proof..... but it's not a cult.

[Tigerbomb13]

The White House website is basically infowars now 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/lab-leak-true-origins-of-covid-19/

[Motown Bombers]

27 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

So, I get the point you're making, but when I hear this stuff it makes me feel like democrats haven't learned anything.  

Has he said some despicable stuff, absolutely.  But he did gain numbers with hispanics.  Instead of laughing at how absurd that is, it might be better for democrats to try and understand why instead of using their own biases to laugh it off.  For instance, hispanics live in greater numbers near the southern border.  What major issue did we have (for issues much more complex than just immigration policy) down there?  The same major issue that blue states and blue cities realized was an issue after Abbot, DeSantis (and Biden, folks forget that) started sending migrants to their communities.  It's clear that in just the last year or two democrats finally get it, but yet they are surprised it hurt them at the ballot box.  Stop expecting votes because you think you're better and start working for them.  

Biden literally negotiated a bipartisan border bill supported by border patrol and Republicans nixed it. Border crossings were down. Hispanics voted for Trump because they didn't think they would be affected. The Venezuelans in Miami didn't think they would be affected. Half of the border states voted for Harris anyways. In fact, she won more border counties than Trump did. 

When do Republicans ever appeal to urban cities? Trump attacked Detroit and says they cheat on the election. No one ever tells Republicans so change their messaging to inner cities. There's no news safari to a barbershop on 7 Mile asking why they support Harris. It's a double standard and voters have no agency. They were told this was going to happen. It was literally in writing. 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Tiger337]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

It won't get anyone.  They'll just laugh.  

[ewsieg]

3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Biden literally negotiated a bipartisan border bill supported by border patrol and Republicans nixed it. 

Biden also ignored it for 2.5 years before finally doing something about it.  For those 2.5 years, the influx affected citizens of hispanic origin, but Biden and the dems assumed that since they were all of the same color, they were all the same.  Are you right about the bipartisan bill, absolutely, but again, for 2.5 years they watched the dems not only not do anything to fix the issue, but deny the issue existed.  Obviously for some hispanics, the 2.5 years "Trumped" their thoughts against a bill that once it failed turned into a pissing contest about who screwed it up.

3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

When do Republicans ever appeal to urban cities? Trump attacked Detroit and says they cheat on the election. No one ever tells Republicans so change their messaging to inner cities. There's no news safari to a barbershop on 7 Mile asking why they support Harris. It's a double standard and voters have no agency. They were told this was going to happen. It was literally in writing. 

Trump made the biggest appeal to urban cities that any republican has ever made in the last election with his blunt 'what do you have to lose?'  Again, I think we will agree they certainly have more to lose and that Trump is proving that, but that goes to what I said earlier about democrats.  Stop expecting votes simply because you believe you are better and start working to get those votes.  

[The Ronz]

2 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I remember him from the USFL which actually started 42 years ago (not 45).  I saw him in an interview and my very sensitive douchebag meter went off the charts immediately! 

That's when I first heard of Trump too.

When a group of wealthy white men who run a "three letter" nonprofit 501C(6) organization - and one of those white men is a grandson of a virulent antisemite who is the only American mentioned in Mein Kampf and who was also presented the Grand Cross of the German Eagle by the Nazi's - still won't let Donald Trump join that organization it is obvious he is a bad guy.

[LaceyLou]

3 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I hated Trump 45 years ago.  😄

I don't know that I hated him, just thought that he was a cartoon character. I remember rolling my eyes a couple of times, especially when he ended up in the tabloids.

I'm not sure who first said this, but it sums up the way I feel: Stop making stupid people famous.

[Motown Bombers]

27 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Biden also ignored it for 2.5 years before finally doing something about it.  For those 2.5 years, the influx affected citizens of hispanic origin, but Biden and the dems assumed that since they were all of the same color, they were all the same.  Are you right about the bipartisan bill, absolutely, but again, for 2.5 years they watched the dems not only not do anything to fix the issue, but deny the issue existed.  Obviously for some hispanics, the 2.5 years "Trumped" their thoughts against a bill that once it failed turned into a pissing contest about who screwed it up.

Trump made the biggest appeal to urban cities that any republican has ever made in the last election with his blunt 'what do you have to lose?'  Again, I think we will agree they certainly have more to lose and that Trump is proving that, but that goes to what I said earlier about democrats.  Stop expecting votes simply because you believe you are better and start working to get those votes.  

Fantastic, all Democrats have to do is tell Hispanics what do they have to lose. 

I mean, Dems are better. Hispanics voted for this. Trump made his intentions very clear. He's not actually doing anything about the border. He's just rounding up Hispanics in border states such as *check notes* Maryland and Massachusetts. They get what they voted for. 

[ewsieg]

13 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Fantastic, all Democrats have to do is tell Hispanics what do they have to lose. 

I mean, Dems are better. Hispanics voted for this. Trump made his intentions very clear. He's not actually doing anything about the border. He's just rounding up Hispanics in border states such as *check notes* Maryland and Massachusetts. They get what they voted for. 

Rounding up illegals already in the country is a separate issue from illegals entering this country.  Trump's rhetoric alone has done a ton regarding the border.  Crossings are estimated to be down 95%.

https://usafacts.org/answers/how-many-migrant-encounters-are-there-along-the-us-mexico-border/country/united-states/

Plus look at what he's doing to our economy, a bad US economy has always lowered illegal crossings and if he gets his way, we're going to have years of a bad economy which will help assist with this issue.

I disagree with his tactics (both in terms of not liking how he dehumanizes this group and also the legality of his tactics) and I disagree with what we're seeing regarding deporting those that have legal protection to stay in the US, at least until a hearing.  But he has helped control the southern border in a very short time.

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Rounding up illegals already in the country is a separate issue from illegals entering this country.  Trump's rhetoric alone has done a ton regarding the border.  Crossings are estimated to be down 95%.

https://usafacts.org/answers/how-many-migrant-encounters-are-there-along-the-us-mexico-border/country/united-states/

Plus look at what he's doing to our economy, a bad US economy has always lowered illegal crossings and if he gets his way, we're going to have years of a bad economy which will help assist with this issue.

I disagree with his tactics (both in terms of not liking how he dehumanizes this group and also the legality of his tactics) and I disagree with what we're seeing regarding deporting those that have legal protection to stay in the US, at least until a hearing.  But he has helped control the southern border in a very short time.

You got me. Trump's ability to turn the US into a Central American dictatorship stopped immigration. Those elite Dems wanted the US to continue to prosper. 

[1984Echoes]

7 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

... I disagree with ...  But he has helped control the southern border in a very short time.

LOOK!!!

 

The TRAINS are RUNNING ON TIME!!!

[CMRivdogs]

25 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

LOOK!!!

 

The TRAINS are RUNNING ON TIME!!!

I’m surprised they haven’t defunded Amtrak yet. 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Tigerbomb13]

 

[Tiger337]

7 hours ago, ewsieg said:

It's clear that in just the last year or two democrats finally get it, but yet they are surprised it hurt them at the ballot box.  Stop expecting votes because you think you're better and start working for them.  

I agree with this.  The assumption of some liberals that they own certain demographics has hurt them.  I think anyone who is not an American White male should vote Democrat, but you can't assume that everyone thinks that way.   

[Motown Bombers]

Democrats just need to tell Hispanics they're poisoning the blood of Americans and they will kick them out of the country. 

[Tiger337]

45 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Democrats just need to tell Hispanics they're poisoning the blood of Americans and they will kick them out of the country. 

Most people probably didn't read that comment or think that it was made up.  

[Motown Bombers]

4 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Most people probably didn't read that comment or think that it was made up.  

So the Hispanics ignored Trump? They heard Trump loud and clear. They just didn't think Trump was talking about them. They were fine if the others got deported. 

[1984Echoes]

6 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

I’m surprised they haven’t defunded Amtrak yet. 

You didn't recognize the Mussolini reference?

[1984Echoes]

3 hours ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

 

Straight up,

In your face,

Fascism.

We've lost our democracy.

[Tiger337]

48 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

So the Hispanics ignored Trump? They heard Trump loud and clear. They just didn't think Trump was talking about them. They were fine if the others got deported. 

Most people don't pay attention to politics as much as people in this thread do.  I really think we forget that.  It is amazing how much the average person misses.   

[Tiger337]

17 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Straight up,

In your face,

Fascism.

We've lost our democracy.

It's really amazing.  Authoritarian morons are telling reporters what to report, researchers what to research, teachers what to teach...And if you don't do what they say it means you don't like America and will be punished.