Trumps Presidency 2025

[pfife]

7 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Just remember which party opened pandoras box. 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahaha

You voted for that crap way before any of bidens pardons.  

[Tigeraholic1]

9 hours ago, mtutiger said:

If you're referring to Ulbricht, also with evidence to suggest attempting a murder-for-hire scheme

Not clear why this is something to be celebrated?

He was never charged for it btw. He got a life sentence without parole for doing what is now legal on FB market place in Portland..... A little harsh don't you think?

[pfife]

10 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

He was never charged for it btw. He got a life sentence without parole for doing what is now legal on FB market place in Portland..... A little harsh don't you think?

Speaking of never charged for stuff, Bidens non hunter family pardons you soiled yourself over. 

I see youre still a hypocrite. 

 

 

[Tigerbomb13]

4 minutes ago, pfife said:

Speaking of never charged for stuff, Bidens non hunter family pardons you soiled yourself over. 

I see youre still a hypocrite. 

 

 

The pretzel logic is getting humorous 

[pfife]

2 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

The pretzel logic is getting humorous 

Trumps been campaigning on pardoning J6ers for months and he thinks Biden opened the pandoras box for it 3 days ago 

Pretty hilar

Edited 9 hours ago by pfife

[CMRivdogs]

35 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Just remember which party opened pandoras box. 

As my beloved grandmother used to say two wrongs don’t make it right. 
BTW if he cut Medicare prescription cos, you're veterans health services are probably also on the chopping block as well

[mtutiger]

Trump is definitely not to blame for Trump's decisions to pardon a bunch of violent criminals.

Just stellar logic right there.... you'd think he was a toddler who didn't have control of any of his faculties lol

[mtutiger]

40 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

The right wing extremism group ADL has already weighed in. 
 

 

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), a nonprofit focused on combating antisemitism, defended tech billionaire Elon Musk’s “awkward” gesture during a Monday celebratory event which some critics panned as a fascist salute. 

“This is a delicate moment. It’s a new day and yet so many are on edge. Our politics are inflamed, and social media only adds to the anxiety,” the ADL wrote in a Monday post on Musk’s social platform X. “It seems that @elonmusk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute, but again, we appreciate that people are on edge.” 
 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5097676-elon-musk-defended-salute-criticism/amp/

I don't need the ADL to tell me what I saw. 

Edited 9 hours ago by mtutiger

[romad1]

13 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I don't need the ADL to tell me what I saw. 

do a quick search on "ADL defends Musk" and you'll see they are being singled out.   

What does ADL get out of this? 

Edited 9 hours ago by romad1

[gehringer_2]

12 minutes ago, romad1 said:

What does ADL get out of this? 

Probably a check. 

Make that almost certainly a check.

[ewsieg]

12 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Trump publicized this by taking this action in the first place. He felt it important enough even to take this action on Day One of his Presidency.

You realize he has agency and could very well have not taken this action, right?

Absolutely, which is why I made it very clear Trump is a POS for this.  I am not deflecting any blame from Trump on this issue, he now owns it and is responsible for anything that happens to those people that risked their lives for us. 

But that shouldn't give Biden a pass.  I was told by Biden, this forum, and the press that Trump was an existential threat.  Did Biden have obstacles like ChatGPT explained, yes, but he also had three years, the force of the entire US government, and a deadline that he should have understood and known would be a wall he was up against.  He absolutely shares responsibility.  If you feel better placing most of the blame on Trump, fine, but for those 1600 people, they equally got screwed by both Biden and Trump.

[romad1]

18 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Probably a check. 

Make that almost certainly a check.

Maybe something as good as money:  a free hand in Gaza?   Hence al Jazeera is the one calling them out most vociferously as not living up to their stated ideals. 

[CMRivdogs]

 

[pfife]

Biden didnt pre-clean trumps messes good enough sure does let trump off the hook.

[gehringer_2]

30 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Absolutely, which is why I made it very clear Trump is a POS for this.  I am not deflecting any blame from Trump on this issue, he now owns it and is responsible for anything that happens to those people that risked their lives for us. 

But that shouldn't give Biden a pass.  I was told by Biden, this forum, and the press that Trump was an existential threat.  Did Biden have obstacles like ChatGPT explained, yes, but he also had three years, the force of the entire US government, and a deadline that he should have understood and known would be a wall he was up against.  He absolutely shares responsibility.  If you feel better placing most of the blame on Trump, fine, but for those 1600 people, they equally got screwed by both Biden and Trump.

don't agree with the moral calculus here. It's not Biden's fault that Trump is a moral midget. If Biden had a program in place that was in process and working, even if slowly, and that any reasonable person would have left in place, then it's not his fault for not planning on Trump's perfidy or that the voters would elect the moral midget. If you want someone to blame - blame Trump voters - THEY brought you this situation - it was their choices, not Biden's. 

This logic is sort of like an SoCal insurance company deciding to refuse fire claims by a merchant on the grounds he should have had a 1/2 off sale to move all his stock out of the store because he knew a fire in SoCal was always a possibility.

 You can't conflate someone doing the right thing at less than 100% effectiveness with someone doing the 100% the wrong thing. They are not the same.

Or since this a is sports forum: In a down one basket ball game, how would you evaluate the guy that took a last shot and missed, to the guy that takes the in bound pass and hands the ball to the other team?

Edited 8 hours ago by gehringer_2

[romad1]

Leaks starting

White House Insiders Spill On Trump's Blanket Jan. 6 Pardons

didn't last long. 

Money is on Vance but maybe Wiles. 

[Tigerbomb13]

Welcome back to four more years of leaks and disfunction! 

[gehringer_2]

17 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Leaks starting

White House Insiders Spill On Trump's Blanket Jan. 6 Pardons

didn't last long. 

Money is on Vance but maybe Wiles. 

IOW,  Trump doesn't delegate, he wants to make all the decisions himself, but since he was too ****ing lazy to actually look through the cases himself - this is the result.

This is a fundamental reason this admin will be a **** show just like the last one, he doesn't understand, doesn't even know actually, what a president's job is. He thinks leading is making all the decisions, when leading an org as big as the US gov is putting enough good people in place to make all the decision that have to be made that one person can't possible make by themselves even if they wanted to ( and Trump doesn't have the discipline to get into the weeds anyway). At that task he is already a total failure with this appointments. People slammed Reagan not being hands on enough - but at least he understood he had to have people doing all the stuff that needed doing that he was not going to do himself, and he largely succeeded at that. Other than his buddy Meese he always had very strong set of direct reports (and even if Haig was a little nutty, he was effective).

Edited 8 hours ago by gehringer_2

[Tigeraholic1]

Trump ran on pardoning J6'ers and was elected. Biden spent a year saying he would not pardon lil Hunter and turns around and does it. THEN his whole family. Apologists till then end.

[romad1]

7 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

IOW,  Trump doesn't delegate, he wants to make all the decisions himself, but since he was too ****ing lazy to actually look through the cases himself - this is the result.

Rational explanation.  It remains to be seen how much he enjoys defending all the killers he just set free.   He can always pay the ADL in money or favors to defend him. 

Edited 8 hours ago by romad1

[pfife]

1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Trump ran on pardoning J6'ers and was elected. Biden spent a year saying he would not pardon lil Hunter and turns around and does it. THEN his whole family. Apologists till then end.

The least you could do is not apologize for trump while accusing others of apologizing for Biden.   

More hypocrisy. 

[Tigeraholic1]

The ADL is now an enemy of the left. The list grows be the minute!

[Tigeraholic1]

3 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Rational explanation.  It remains to be seen how much he enjoys defending all the killers he just set free.   He can always pay the ADL in money or favors to defend him. 

Can you provide a list of who was killed by the J6'ers?

[pfife]

Magaholic is more bent about people with no conviction being pardoned than he is with people convicted of seditious conspiracy being pardoned.

Thats some ****ed up ****

[pfife]

3 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Can you provide a list of who was killed by the J6'ers?

Can you provide a list of who was killed by Bidens family?

Edited 8 hours ago by pfife