Trumps Presidency 2025

[Motown Bombers]

Lyndon Johnson had MAGA figured out 60 years ago.

[chasfh]

And y’know, the whole claim that “childless cat ladies” don’t/can’t have a genuine desire to improve America's future is an insult to altruistic people in general, since it implies that one can feel for a cause only if they themselves have a material stake in it. IOW, If someone avers they want what’s good for society, they must have some ulterior motive in which they materially gain, otherwise they’re de facto being a disingenuous phony baloney about what they tell us they desire.

[mtutiger]

They keep saying "DEIA" for a reason...

[chasfh]

11 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I like the Catholic concept of Heaven and purgatory where your supposed reward upon death is contingent on being a good person during your life.  On the other hand, in some Protestant religions it seems that you can be a bad person your whole life but still go to heaven if your accept Jesus into your life. That seems self serving.     

Absolutely true, this, which also conveniently skates right by what Jesus says right in Matthew 6:2:

“… when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. ³ But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, ⁴ so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.” 

So right here, right out of Jesus’s mouth, in black and white, is the idea that you are rewarded by God for your good works.

Personally, I think this in-vogue evangelical nonsense about “being saved only by the blood of Jesus” began to be formed in the 17th Century by acolytes of King James so they could excuse themselves for the brutal sin of slavery.

Edited 3 hours ago by chasfh

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Isn't tomorrow the day that Trump is support to start his Trump Tariffs on Canada, China, and Mexico? I thought February 1st was the deadline.

[chasfh]

10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

the price of unaffordable housing will get significantly more unaffordable with any increase in the price of Canadian dimensional lumber.

New Gilded Age, here we come!

 

Edited 3 hours ago by chasfh

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, romad1 said:

Please be true

https://thehill.com/homenews/5117815-tulsi-gabbard-snowden-controversy/

 

Just a word from Trump and those votes will be in the bag.

[mtutiger]

11 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Isn't tomorrow the day that Trump is support to start his Trump Tariffs on Canada, China, and Mexico? I thought February 1st was the deadline.

Yes, he has announced 25% on Canada and Mexico so far

[chasfh]

26 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Lyndon Johnson had MAGA figured out 60 years ago.

Exactly. I’d estimate that maybe 20% of people in this country would gladly pay twelve bucks for a carton of eggs in exchange for the pleasure of seeing millions of people they feel superior to rounded up into concentration camps.

[LaceyLou]

9 minutes ago, chasfh said:

New Gilded Age, here we come!

 

"St. Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go-I owe my soul to the company store."

[gehringer_2]

19 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Isn't tomorrow the day that Trump is support to start his Trump Tariffs on Canada, China, and Mexico? I thought February 1st was the deadline.

5 will get you 10 he exempts oil.

[romad1]

20 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Just a word from Trump and those votes will be in the bag.

this is some variant on "don't try" 

[mtutiger]

10 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

5 will get you 10 he exempts oil.

That's the talk, jacking up the price of oil in the Midwest would be damaging politically.

Lumber is going to one to watch with Canadian imports.... people are already upset / frustrated by the cost of housing / construction, slapping tariffs on Canada will make that problem worse.

[CMRivdogs]

48 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Lyndon Johnson had MAGA figured out 60 years ago.

I see your LGJ and give you Barry Goldwater 

Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.

[mtutiger]

 

[chasfh]

10 minutes ago, romad1 said:

this is some variant on "don't try" 

“Don’t try” what? Tell me what I can try that you strongly believe will make a difference and I will try it.

[chasfh]

5 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

 

Can’t get past the paywall. Who exactly is saying this?

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[Motown Bombers]

8 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

I see your LGJ and give you Barry Goldwater 

Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.

Imagine being too extreme for Barry Goldwater. 

[romad1]

3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

“Don’t try” what? Tell me what I can try that you strongly believe will make a difference and I will try it.

I don't mean this to be the scene in the war movie were the sgt slaps the guy panicking in the trench who then becomes a monster and wins the Medal of Honor or the Victoria Cross (for our Canadian friends).    You in particular are not expected to do anything.   You'd hope the media would cover him accurately and opposition pols would do the necessary.

1. we get it...he's a tough nut. 

2. he's a lame duck.  We can't make him into a king. 

 

[chasfh]

12 minutes ago, romad1 said:

I don't mean this to be the scene in the war movie were the sgt slaps the guy panicking in the trench who then becomes a monster and wins the Medal of Honor or the Victoria Cross (for our Canadian friends).    You in particular are not expected to do anything.   You'd hope the media would cover him accurately and opposition pols would do the necessary.

1. we get it...he's a tough nut. 

2. he's a lame duck.  We can't make him into a king. 

 

You'd hope that, wouldn't you?

[gehringer_2]

28 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

That's the talk, jacking up the price of oil in the Midwest would be damaging politically.

Lumber is going to one to watch with Canadian imports.... people are already upset / frustrated by the cost of housing / construction, slapping tariffs on Canada will make that problem worse.

of course even if he exempts oil from the tariffs, the Canadians may put a retaliatory export tax on it so the midwest has at least two scenarios to get screwed.

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

Lyndon Johnson had MAGA figured out 60 years ago.

Interesting thought, but I don't really see the connection between the two.  There are no doubt many dumb whites who think they are superior to the smartest blacks.  There is also no question that the wealthy and powerful spend a great deal of time and energy trying tp pick the pockets of stupid people, but I don't know that one causes the other.     

[mtutiger]

18 minutes ago, romad1 said:

I don't mean this to be the scene in the war movie were the sgt slaps the guy panicking in the trench who then becomes a monster and wins the Medal of Honor or the Victoria Cross (for our Canadian friends).    You in particular are not expected to do anything.   You'd hope the media would cover him accurately and opposition pols would do the necessary.

1. we get it...he's a tough nut. 

2. he's a lame duck.  We can't make him into a king. 

 

The media has a lot of issues and I've criticized it plenty, but to at least some extent, I've come around on the idea that Democratic electeds bear some of the blame in the sense that they are not nearly quick enough to get in front of a camera and let it fly whenever various things happen.

They are very different people with very different personas, but this is why AOC and John Fetterman are both very effective: they put it out there, it isn't airbrushed or combed through by consultants. And if they **** up when putting it out there, they are quickly pivoting to putting more stuff out there that will get at least some coverage. Aside from these two, I think we've seen some spines from Democrats outside of Washington (ie. JB Pritzker, Gavin Newsom, other Governors and AGs mostly), but the Washington set, particularly in the Senate, have been really ineffective in this moment.

To that end, I don't know that it makes much of a difference, but I've called and emailed by blue state Senators multiple times in the past 10 days to plead for them to use their platforms more effectively and rise to the occasion. Even if we agree more with them, there's still value in holding their feet to the fire and demanding more effective representation.

[romad1]

7 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

The media has a lot of issues and I've criticized it plenty, but to at least some extent, I've come around on the idea that Democratic electeds bear some of the blame in the sense that they are not nearly quick enough to get in front of a camera and let it fly whenever various things happen.

They are very different people with very different personas, but this is why AOC and John Fetterman are both very effective: they put it out there, it isn't airbrushed or combed through by consultants. And if they **** up when putting it out there, they are quickly pivoting to putting more stuff out there that will get at least some coverage. Aside from these two, I think we've seen some spines from Democrats outside of Washington (ie. JB Pritzker, Gavin Newsom, other Governors and AGs mostly), but the Washington set, particularly in the Senate, have been really ineffective in this moment.

To that end, I don't know that it makes much of a difference, but I've called and emailed by blue state Senators multiple times in the past 10 days to plead for them to use their platforms more effectively and rise to the occasion. Even if we agree more with them, there's still value in holding their feet to the fire and demanding more effective representation.

The strategy of rope-a-dope isn't going to work if the opposition has nuclear weapons.   The key to strategy is figuring out the rules of the game you are playing now.  Not in the 1970s or 80s but now.  If the stories about the ineptitude about social media are true we may be doomed.  

Mayor/Secretary Pete is another who knows how the game is played.  He might have to be the WWII version of the USS Enterprise of this phase of the struggle. 

 

 

 

[pfife]

1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Isn't tomorrow the day that Trump is support to start his Trump Tariffs on Canada, China, and Mexico? I thought February 1st was the deadline.

Yes, it is.  Michigan Public mentioned it several times this morning, they said it's 25% on Mexico and Canada, 10% on China, and apparently he's considering exempting oil from Canada to keep gas prices down. 

Of course, we all remember he said consumers don't pay tariffs which if true wouldn't need to exempt oil to keep gas prices down.