Trumps Presidency 2025

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, chasfh said:

I'll be straight with you: I'm a bit worried about people running just to "throw the old guard out", because it will tend to attract a lot of the same "leftists" that boomerang back and forth on the spectrum just for the attention. people like ... well, like Simena (and Fetterman?).

I want to see people running who have the same principles as the old guard who are also young and not afraid to mix it up with the Trumpers.

I could also see Republican plants in those scenarios. 

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Insane...

Translation: "Yippeeee! I'm gonna be a trillionaire"!

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

I could also see Republican plants in those scenarios. 

Now that's some goooood Alarmist Non-sense! 😋

[Motown Bombers]

 

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Right now, it's an open question and there is speculation among the chatter class that this is a bluff and that they may be looking for some kind of outcome similar to Colombia that can be spun politically.

But the accumulation of these events over time will damage this country and we will be seen a less than reliable partner. Which is a gift to countries like China.

Whichever would be a backfire, because he wanted it to be a gift to Russia.

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

People may not have realized it at the time, but their vote for Donald Trump was a vote for Elon Musk....

Having sampled some right wing AM radio while driving through the south this past October, I can fairly hypothesize that yes, they completely realize their vote for Trump was a vote for Elon, and they are (at this moment) fine with it, because Elon was already a hero to them, and I would guess still is.

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

He’s basically an arsonist right now, destroying the country internally once peace at a time until there’s nothing left for anything else but him and the rest of his oligarchs. 

Again I'll say it: they are stripping America for parts.

[gehringer_2]

11 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

He's bankrupted every business he has ever run, so no, he doesn't make sane decisions. 

exactly right. He clearly doesn't have a rational framework to how he thinks about interest rates and inflation, and he pretty clearly doesn't understand how the industrial investment economy works (Hint - it ain't like real estate). 

[chasfh]

13 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

He has long believed the US has let get itself get the short end of the stick in trade negotiations so he thinks he's somehow helping the US worker/economy. But I just don't see these arbitrary, scattershot, capricious actions as being the kind of thing that's going to encourage any American businesses to start re-shoring. If Trump had a long term plan with investment supports, tax policy, and legally locked in tariffs over a term that a business could use as the basis to go borrow money to invest that would be one thing, but these kinds of actions are here today and could as easily be gone tomorrow based Donnie's daily choler. Hard to imagine any sane org making investment decisions based on this. 

This is a cute response because it assumes he is acting rationally on behalf of America, instead of from a laser focus on revenge against anyone who he believes has ever wronged him on any front.

[gehringer_2]

9 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Whichever would be a backfire, because he wanted it to be a gift to Russia.

You notice how quiet China has been. They're smart enough to understand the one about not getting in the way of your adversary while they're shooting themselves in the feet.

[mtutiger]

9 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Having sampled some right wing AM radio while driving through the south this past October, I can fairly hypothesize that yes, they completely realize their vote for Trump was a vote for Elon, and they are (at this moment) fine with it, because Elon was already a hero to them, and I would guess still is.

Right wing talk radio listeners aren't the entire universe of Trump voters.

[CMRivdogs]

 

 

 

[mtutiger]

Amazing

[Motown Bombers]

A lot of government websites are down.

[chasfh]

4 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Right wing talk radio listeners aren't the entire universe of Trump voters.

It is reflective of a substantial percentage of them. And it was really shocking to hear them fluff up Elon as a co-savior or our country with Trump.

[CMRivdogs]

 

[Tigerbomb13]

[mtutiger]

Uhh

[Tigerbomb13]

3 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Uhh

Just came here to post this. Complete, utter **** show

[Motown Bombers]

This has to be the dumbest collapse in world history. The US was the wealthiest country in the world. It was involved in no wars. Unemployment was at an all-time low. It had some of the highest wages in the world. They voted out Trump only to vote him back in four years later. The entire plan was in writing and posted publicly. 

[mtutiger]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

This has to be the dumbest collapse in world history. The US was the wealthiest country in the world. It was involved in no wars. Unemployment was at an all-time low. It had some of the highest wages in the world. They voted out Trump only to vote him back in four years later. The entire plan was in writing and posted publicly. 

There's the obvious impacts internally to all of us, but I am very concerned that we are about to learn about the importance of the soft power we have, to date, weilded 

[gehringer_2]

3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

This has to be the dumbest collapse in world history. The US was the wealthiest country in the world. It was involved in no wars. Unemployment was at an all-time low. It had some of the highest wages in the world. They voted out Trump only to vote him back in four years later. The entire plan was in writing and posted publicly. 

It's taken 2500 yrs, but Socrates' complaints about democracy are finally turning out to be true.

Edited Friday at 10:55 PM by gehringer_2

[Motown Bombers]

[gehringer_2]

6 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

This has to be the dumbest collapse in world history. The US was the wealthiest country in the world. It was involved in no wars. Unemployment was at an all-time low. It had some of the highest wages in the world. They voted out Trump only to vote him back in four years later. The entire plan was in writing and posted publicly. 

We need to face it, the US public is too under educated to self-govern itself in a technological era. We either have to start educating people to an acceptable level of civic/economy competence, or prove Xi correct and let ourselves collapse. The problem is there is no short term solution at this point.

[Motown Bombers]