2025 Lions offseason

[KL2]

13 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Yes, but his fall from grace was significant. Stanford hasn't recorded more wins in a season than their prior season since 2014 to 2015. There's more to that than Shaw, but 99.9% of Stanford fans believed his firing was two years overdue.

12 to 10 to 9 to 9 to 4 to 4 to 3 to 3 (Shaw fired here) to 3 to 3.

Don't disagree with any of it. But it doesn't change what I said and some misnomer he was just power I up the middle for 3 his whole life.

[Hongbit]

13 minutes ago, KL2 said:

So it didn't happen?

(And it was less than 10)

Andrew Luck graduated from Stanford in 2011.   It seems like a stretch to gloss the hire on the basis of things they did that long ago. 

As for McCaffrey, he’s not irrelevant in a discussion about a passing game coordinator.   Passing to running backs does have some factor but should be a secondary focus for an offensive with as many weapons as the Lions.  Certainly not the basis for hiring a passing game coordinator.   

[KL2]

6 hours ago, Hongbit said:

Andrew Luck graduated from Stanford in 2011.   It seems like a stretch to gloss the hire on the basis of things they did that long ago. 

As for McCaffrey, he’s not irrelevant in a discussion about a passing game coordinator.   Passing to running backs does have some factor but should be a secondary focus for an offensive with as many weapons as the Lions.  Certainly not the basis for hiring a passing game coordinator.   

Nobody is glossing. They are just facts that paint a whole picture of experience. Whether it's one or 20 years ago. Was just pointing out this is not a coach who ran a 1920 offense and did nothing creative ever in his life and that it's an awful hire. He did do *some* things that have made him a successful coach.

 

And to your last graph, if it's a rb is not relevant to his job as passing game coordinator, why is then his "up the middle" play style at the end of his Stanford career?

 

[Longgone]

20 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Yes, but his fall from grace was significant. Stanford hasn't recorded more wins in a season than their prior season since 2014 to 2015. There's more to that than Shaw, but 99.9% of Stanford fans believed his firing was two years overdue.

12 to 10 to 9 to 9 to 4 to 4 to 3 to 3 (Shaw fired here) to 3 to 3.

To me, a good offensive coach takes advantage of his players strengths and attacks the defensive weaknesses, and a really good coach manipulates things to enhance those two things, but you can still be unsuccessful if you don’t have the talent. I don’t know where Shaw ranks in all that, but I trust Holmes and Carpenter do.

[MichiganCardinal]

1 hour ago, Longgone said:

To me, a good offensive coach takes advantage of his players strengths and attacks the defensive weaknesses, and a really good coach manipulates things to enhance those two things, but you can still be unsuccessful if you don’t have the talent. I don’t know where Shaw ranks in all that, but I trust Holmes and Carpenter do.

As I said when I originally posted about Shaw, I trust that Dan Campbell knows more than I do.

Shaw to me is more of a “leader of men” type than an Xs and Os offensive coordinator or position coach. And maybe that’s the relationship that he and Morton have. Morton is the brains, Shaw is the implementor.

In his last four years with the Cardinal though, their offense ranked 85th, 56th, 113th, and 109th. And the year he ranked 56th was the COVID-shortened year. There was no talent on the roster, don’t get me wrong, but he didn’t exactly scream “offensive mastermind” to me either.