2025 Lions offseason

[KL2]

13 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Yes, but his fall from grace was significant. Stanford hasn't recorded more wins in a season than their prior season since 2014 to 2015. There's more to that than Shaw, but 99.9% of Stanford fans believed his firing was two years overdue.

12 to 10 to 9 to 9 to 4 to 4 to 3 to 3 (Shaw fired here) to 3 to 3.

Don't disagree with any of it. But it doesn't change what I said and some misnomer he was just power I up the middle for 3 his whole life.

[Hongbit]

13 minutes ago, KL2 said:

So it didn't happen?

(And it was less than 10)

Andrew Luck graduated from Stanford in 2011.   It seems like a stretch to gloss the hire on the basis of things they did that long ago. 

As for McCaffrey, he’s not irrelevant in a discussion about a passing game coordinator.   Passing to running backs does have some factor but should be a secondary focus for an offensive with as many weapons as the Lions.  Certainly not the basis for hiring a passing game coordinator.   

[KL2]

6 hours ago, Hongbit said:

Andrew Luck graduated from Stanford in 2011.   It seems like a stretch to gloss the hire on the basis of things they did that long ago. 

As for McCaffrey, he’s not irrelevant in a discussion about a passing game coordinator.   Passing to running backs does have some factor but should be a secondary focus for an offensive with as many weapons as the Lions.  Certainly not the basis for hiring a passing game coordinator.   

Nobody is glossing. They are just facts that paint a whole picture of experience. Whether it's one or 20 years ago. Was just pointing out this is not a coach who ran a 1920 offense and did nothing creative ever in his life and that it's an awful hire. He did do *some* things that have made him a successful coach.

 

And to your last graph, if it's a rb is not relevant to his job as passing game coordinator, why is then his "up the middle" play style at the end of his Stanford career?

 

[Longgone]

20 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Yes, but his fall from grace was significant. Stanford hasn't recorded more wins in a season than their prior season since 2014 to 2015. There's more to that than Shaw, but 99.9% of Stanford fans believed his firing was two years overdue.

12 to 10 to 9 to 9 to 4 to 4 to 3 to 3 (Shaw fired here) to 3 to 3.

To me, a good offensive coach takes advantage of his players strengths and attacks the defensive weaknesses, and a really good coach manipulates things to enhance those two things, but you can still be unsuccessful if you don’t have the talent. I don’t know where Shaw ranks in all that, but I trust Holmes and Carpenter do.

[MichiganCardinal]

1 hour ago, Longgone said:

To me, a good offensive coach takes advantage of his players strengths and attacks the defensive weaknesses, and a really good coach manipulates things to enhance those two things, but you can still be unsuccessful if you don’t have the talent. I don’t know where Shaw ranks in all that, but I trust Holmes and Carpenter do.

As I said when I originally posted about Shaw, I trust that Dan Campbell knows more than I do.

Shaw to me is more of a “leader of men” type than an Xs and Os offensive coordinator or position coach. And maybe that’s the relationship that he and Morton have. Morton is the brains, Shaw is the implementor.

In his last four years with the Cardinal though, their offense ranked 85th, 56th, 113th, and 109th. And the year he ranked 56th was the COVID-shortened year. There was no talent on the roster, don’t get me wrong, but he didn’t exactly scream “offensive mastermind” to me either. 

[Motown Bombers]

Decided to stick this in the Lions thread instead of the NFL thread. Could be of interest to the Lions. 

 

[Jason_R]

Will it require a richer trade package than the one that landed Khalil Mack?

[Motown Bombers]

If the Lions had the cap space, I would trade a 6th for Garrett, Watson and a pair of 1st round picks. As it stands, I think it will be too rich for the Lions blood. It would also prevent the Lions from extending some of their own players. 

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

Decided to stick this in the Lions thread instead of the NFL thread. Could be of interest to the Lions. 

 

What's his contract status?

[MichiganCardinal]

Trading for Garrett would be a 180-degree move from Holmes' history.

[Jimbo]

To bad he didn't say that before last trade deadline.

[RedRamage]

On 1/31/2025 at 1:14 PM, Motown Bombers said:

 

 

Okay, so if the WNBA comes back... do they re-adopt the 'Shock' name given that the team formally known as the Detroit/Tulsa Shock is now the Dallas Wings? Or do they try to modernize it and go with an EV terms like the Stators?

 

[number20]

Honestly didn't see this coming

 

 

[Jimbo]

What would you be willing to give up for Garrett?

Would you give up Jamo, Hooker, and 2025 1rst round pick?

Do you think Crosby is going to be available?

[ben9753]

3 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

What would you be willing to give up for Garrett?

Would you give up Jamo, Hooker, and 2025 1rst round pick?

Do you think Crosby is going to be available?

I'd give that up in a heartbeat.

[Hongbit]

1 hour ago, Jimbo said:

What would you be willing to give up for Garrett?

Would you give up Jamo, Hooker, and 2025 1rst round pick?

Do you think Crosby is going to be available?

I think Jamo is going to be a star but I would do that deal for sure.  

Garrett already is a star and would immediately take the defense to another level.   

I don’t see Crosby being available.  Pete Carroll will do what Pete Carroll does and spread his infectious enthusiasm and Maxx will recant his trade demands (at least until they are 1-6).

[Jimbo]

42 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

I think Jamo is going to be a star but I would do that deal for sure.  

Garrett already is a star and would immediately take the defense to another level.   

I don’t see Crosby being available.  Pete Carroll will do what Pete Carroll does and spread his infectious enthusiasm and Maxx will recant his trade demands (at least until they are 1-6).

I think its a big mistake for teams that are clearly in rebuild mode to not consider trading assets over the age of 27, especially if they are wanting to be traded.  All that does is make you a team that is good enough to barely make the playoffs or just miss out.  You need to bite the bullet for a couple of years if you want to be a Superbowl contender.  Now if your worried about selling team jerseys first than you keep a player like Crosby.  Not even sure the Lions would want what it would take to get him.  Just think its a big mistake for teams to hold on older stars when your not close to being a contender. 

[Hongbit]

2 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

I think its a big mistake for teams that are clearly in rebuild mode to not consider trading assets over the age of 27, especially if they are wanting to be traded.  All that does is make you a team that is good enough to barely make the playoffs or just miss out.  You need to bite the bullet for a couple of years if you want to be a Superbowl contender.  Now if your worried about selling team jerseys first than you keep a player like Crosby.  Not even sure the Lions would want what it would take to get him.  Just think its a big mistake for teams to hold on older stars when your not close to being a contender. 

It’s the Raiders.  Big mistakes are their specialty.    

[RandyMarsh]

I'd love to have Garrett but given the likely cost it will take to get him I just don't know if it would be a wise decision long term. If it's "only" 2 firsts I could live with that but I don't want to sacrifice a handful or more picks including top ones for any 1 non QB, no matter how great that player is.