buddha Posted Friday at 04:19 PM Posted Friday at 04:19 PM That's a lot of money for barnes. but the lions take care of their own. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted Friday at 04:33 PM Posted Friday at 04:33 PM The cap has gone up so we will have to see what other LBs get. Shephard is the coordinator now and coached Barnes since he was drafted so they would be better off staying in house. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted Friday at 05:12 PM Posted Friday at 05:12 PM 38 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: The cap has gone up so we will have to see what other LBs get. Shephard is the coordinator now and coached Barnes since he was drafted so they would be better off staying in house. This is part of it too. Everything will sound like a lot in relation to our reference, which is past contracts under different cap structures. Quote
buddha Posted Friday at 05:34 PM Posted Friday at 05:34 PM i dont mind the lions rewarding their own. they did it with anzalone and i thought it was dumb, but it worked out. barnes has improved every year so far so they think that will continue. it probably could have been a little lower with a little less guaranteed money, but its not outrageous. Quote
NYLion Posted Friday at 05:55 PM Posted Friday at 05:55 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said: Feels like a lot for a player that struggles to get home on a roster where’s he’s behind both Anzalone and Campbell, but what do I know. He plays a different position than those two, he was playing more in a SAM role before he got injured, so I think they see a still young player that has some pass rushing chops. Not a lot of sacks but you could see the improvements in his game before the injury. Also, as has been mentioned, the cap is going up significantly so you can't compare this to previous deals. Edited Friday at 05:55 PM by NYLion Quote
Motown Bombers Posted Friday at 06:04 PM Posted Friday at 06:04 PM Wasn't Barnes and actual pass rusher in college? Quote
Motown Bombers Posted Friday at 07:19 PM Posted Friday at 07:19 PM https://x.com/jfowlerespn/status/1898087981639954735?s=46 Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted Saturday at 09:55 PM Posted Saturday at 09:55 PM 49 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: 8th time’s the charm. This is a Moseley type deal. Unlikely to mean anything. Quote
1984Echoes Posted Saturday at 11:17 PM Posted Saturday at 11:17 PM As long as Za'Darius is coming back I'm good... Quote
Shinzaki Posted Sunday at 04:00 PM Posted Sunday at 04:00 PM If we want a quality edge to bookends Hutch for the foreseeable future, we're probably going to have to draft one. Quote
buddha Posted Sunday at 06:57 PM Posted Sunday at 06:57 PM 19 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: As long as Za'Darius is coming back I'm good... not on that contract. wisely, the lions released him this morning. they can bring him back on a better deal if they choose, although there are much better choices out there, albeit more expensive choices. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted Sunday at 10:29 PM Posted Sunday at 10:29 PM I'm guessing they tried to re-work the deal before releasing him. He was the best of a lot of bad options at the trade deadline, and brought a great personality to the team, but he was conspicuously absent when it mattered most, both against Buffalo and Washington. I do expect them to address the position twice more this offseason, once with a free agent and once in the first two rounds of the draft. They need to lock up Hutchinson first though. Crosby and Garrett are just driving his price up right now. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted Monday at 12:28 AM Posted Monday at 12:28 AM Some of the money being thrown around to these guys is crazy. Yes, the salary cap went up but these salaries went up more. Better hurry up and sign Hutch, he won't be getting less expensive Quote
1984Echoes Posted Monday at 01:14 AM Posted Monday at 01:14 AM 6 hours ago, buddha said: not on that contract... If they can get him back on a contract that works for the Lions I am perfectly fine with getting him back here. I don't consider either him or Marcus or any other FA they could sign as the perfect compliment to Hutch however. I would look to draft the future DE compliment to Hutch. I look at Za'Darius and Davenport as the "vets" that teach the younger guys all their moves, all their "vet knowledge", and start until the new guy is ready to take over a starting spot. It could be a 1st round guy or a 3rd round project. Call him Shemar Stewart. I love the guy. 4.5 sacks over 3 years. But mad pass-rushing "potential". Or at least that's what "they" say... How does he go from potential to reality? I think those two guys would help him along. And then turn into the 1st, or the "key", backups behind Hutch and Stewart as we go on next year's playoff run and win the next Super Bowl... Oops, sorry, I have too many fantasies and dreams and sugar plums rattling around in my head... But I'd still be good signing back Za'Darius... at the right price. Quote
4hzglory Posted Monday at 01:18 AM Posted Monday at 01:18 AM Just now, 1984Echoes said: If they can get him back on a contract that works for the Lions I am perfectly fine with getting him back here. I don't consider either him or Marcus or any other FA they could sign as the perfect compliment to Hutch however. I would look to draft the future DE compliment to Hutch. I look at Za'Darius and Davenport as the "vets" that teach the younger guys all their moves, all their "vet knowledge", and start until the new guy is ready to take over a starting spot. It could be a 1st round guy or a 3rd round project. Call him Shemar Stewart. I love the guy. 4.5 sacks over 3 years. But mad pass-rushing "potential". Or at least that's what "they" say... How does he go from potential to reality? I think those two guys would help him along. And then turn into the 1st, or the "key", backups behind Hutch and Stewart as we go on next year's playoff run and win the next Super Bowl... Oops, sorry, I have too many fantasies and dreams and sugar plums rattling around in my head... But I'd still be good signing back Za'Darius... at the right price. I hate drafting guys in the first who have so little production. It definitely makes you question the work ethic-especially on a good line like he was. I know most of you don’t like Sawyer, but he has shown the production and by all reports is one of the hardest workers. I think he’d be a great fit opposite Hutch, both in the run and pass games. Quote
1984Echoes Posted Monday at 01:19 AM Posted Monday at 01:19 AM 2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said: ... but he was conspicuously absent when it mattered most, both against Buffalo and Washington... PS: I think he would do better if was not the "ONLY" guy. Which, basically, he was by that time. Last man standing and I don't think he's a "do-it-alone" guy, certainly not at this stage of his career. He needs Hutch, and McNeil, and any other help we can get on the DL because... he just does. I don't think that makes him a no value guy... Just a DE with a "specific, veteran" value. Whatever that is. The Lions, and he, if they can get on the same page for a contract... will have that understood. 3 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted Monday at 01:32 AM Posted Monday at 01:32 AM 10 minutes ago, 4hzglory said: I hate drafting guys in the first who have so little production. It definitely makes you question the work ethic-especially on a good line like he was. I know most of you don’t like Sawyer, but he has shown the production and by all reports is one of the hardest workers. I think he’d be a great fit opposite Hutch, both in the run and pass games. How ofter has Brad traded up? It seems like every draft, he makes some surprise moves. And they usually work out. Maybe instead of using draft capital on an expensive veteran, he'll use that capital to move up. Into the top 10? Maybe we should start looking at earlier edge rushers? Or he'll move up and take a WR. It's Brad, he'll surprise us. 😅 Quote
1984Echoes Posted Monday at 01:36 AM Posted Monday at 01:36 AM I was hoping for Mike Green in the 2nd round because he was "flying under the radar"... At the time. Umm, well, he's not flying under the radar so much anymore so... Quote
4hzglory Posted Monday at 01:39 AM Posted Monday at 01:39 AM 6 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: How ofter has Brad traded up? It seems like every draft, he makes some surprise moves. And they usually work out. Maybe instead of using draft capital on an expensive veteran, he'll use that capital to move up. Into the top 10? Maybe we should start looking at earlier edge rushers? Or he'll move up and take a WR. It's Brad, he'll surprise us. 😅 In the first twice last year and for Jamo. Quote
1984Echoes Posted Monday at 01:40 AM Posted Monday at 01:40 AM Also... Before we signed Barnes back... I thought the shocker that Brad was going to pull was to trade up and draft Jihaad Campbell. Now my WAG is... James Pearce? Quote
Motown Bombers Posted Monday at 01:50 AM Posted Monday at 01:50 AM Really no downside to this contract. It's basically the Moseley approach. Quote
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