buddha Posted March 7 Posted March 7 That's a lot of money for barnes. but the lions take care of their own. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted March 7 Posted March 7 The cap has gone up so we will have to see what other LBs get. Shephard is the coordinator now and coached Barnes since he was drafted so they would be better off staying in house. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted March 7 Posted March 7 38 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: The cap has gone up so we will have to see what other LBs get. Shephard is the coordinator now and coached Barnes since he was drafted so they would be better off staying in house. This is part of it too. Everything will sound like a lot in relation to our reference, which is past contracts under different cap structures. Quote
buddha Posted March 7 Posted March 7 i dont mind the lions rewarding their own. they did it with anzalone and i thought it was dumb, but it worked out. barnes has improved every year so far so they think that will continue. it probably could have been a little lower with a little less guaranteed money, but its not outrageous. Quote
NYLion Posted March 7 Posted March 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said: Feels like a lot for a player that struggles to get home on a roster where’s he’s behind both Anzalone and Campbell, but what do I know. He plays a different position than those two, he was playing more in a SAM role before he got injured, so I think they see a still young player that has some pass rushing chops. Not a lot of sacks but you could see the improvements in his game before the injury. Also, as has been mentioned, the cap is going up significantly so you can't compare this to previous deals. Edited March 7 by NYLion Quote
Motown Bombers Posted March 7 Posted March 7 https://x.com/jfowlerespn/status/1898087981639954735?s=46 Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted March 8 Posted March 8 49 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: 8th time’s the charm. This is a Moseley type deal. Unlikely to mean anything. Quote
Shinzaki Posted March 9 Posted March 9 If we want a quality edge to bookends Hutch for the foreseeable future, we're probably going to have to draft one. Quote
buddha Posted March 9 Posted March 9 19 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: As long as Za'Darius is coming back I'm good... not on that contract. wisely, the lions released him this morning. they can bring him back on a better deal if they choose, although there are much better choices out there, albeit more expensive choices. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted March 9 Posted March 9 I'm guessing they tried to re-work the deal before releasing him. He was the best of a lot of bad options at the trade deadline, and brought a great personality to the team, but he was conspicuously absent when it mattered most, both against Buffalo and Washington. I do expect them to address the position twice more this offseason, once with a free agent and once in the first two rounds of the draft. They need to lock up Hutchinson first though. Crosby and Garrett are just driving his price up right now. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Some of the money being thrown around to these guys is crazy. Yes, the salary cap went up but these salaries went up more. Better hurry up and sign Hutch, he won't be getting less expensive Quote
1984Echoes Posted March 10 Posted March 10 6 hours ago, buddha said: not on that contract... If they can get him back on a contract that works for the Lions I am perfectly fine with getting him back here. I don't consider either him or Marcus or any other FA they could sign as the perfect compliment to Hutch however. I would look to draft the future DE compliment to Hutch. I look at Za'Darius and Davenport as the "vets" that teach the younger guys all their moves, all their "vet knowledge", and start until the new guy is ready to take over a starting spot. It could be a 1st round guy or a 3rd round project. Call him Shemar Stewart. I love the guy. 4.5 sacks over 3 years. But mad pass-rushing "potential". Or at least that's what "they" say... How does he go from potential to reality? I think those two guys would help him along. And then turn into the 1st, or the "key", backups behind Hutch and Stewart as we go on next year's playoff run and win the next Super Bowl... Oops, sorry, I have too many fantasies and dreams and sugar plums rattling around in my head... But I'd still be good signing back Za'Darius... at the right price. Quote
4hzglory Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Just now, 1984Echoes said: If they can get him back on a contract that works for the Lions I am perfectly fine with getting him back here. I don't consider either him or Marcus or any other FA they could sign as the perfect compliment to Hutch however. I would look to draft the future DE compliment to Hutch. I look at Za'Darius and Davenport as the "vets" that teach the younger guys all their moves, all their "vet knowledge", and start until the new guy is ready to take over a starting spot. It could be a 1st round guy or a 3rd round project. Call him Shemar Stewart. I love the guy. 4.5 sacks over 3 years. But mad pass-rushing "potential". Or at least that's what "they" say... How does he go from potential to reality? I think those two guys would help him along. And then turn into the 1st, or the "key", backups behind Hutch and Stewart as we go on next year's playoff run and win the next Super Bowl... Oops, sorry, I have too many fantasies and dreams and sugar plums rattling around in my head... But I'd still be good signing back Za'Darius... at the right price. I hate drafting guys in the first who have so little production. It definitely makes you question the work ethic-especially on a good line like he was. I know most of you don’t like Sawyer, but he has shown the production and by all reports is one of the hardest workers. I think he’d be a great fit opposite Hutch, both in the run and pass games. Quote
1984Echoes Posted March 10 Posted March 10 2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said: ... but he was conspicuously absent when it mattered most, both against Buffalo and Washington... PS: I think he would do better if was not the "ONLY" guy. Which, basically, he was by that time. Last man standing and I don't think he's a "do-it-alone" guy, certainly not at this stage of his career. He needs Hutch, and McNeil, and any other help we can get on the DL because... he just does. I don't think that makes him a no value guy... Just a DE with a "specific, veteran" value. Whatever that is. The Lions, and he, if they can get on the same page for a contract... will have that understood. 3 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted March 10 Posted March 10 10 minutes ago, 4hzglory said: I hate drafting guys in the first who have so little production. It definitely makes you question the work ethic-especially on a good line like he was. I know most of you don’t like Sawyer, but he has shown the production and by all reports is one of the hardest workers. I think he’d be a great fit opposite Hutch, both in the run and pass games. How ofter has Brad traded up? It seems like every draft, he makes some surprise moves. And they usually work out. Maybe instead of using draft capital on an expensive veteran, he'll use that capital to move up. Into the top 10? Maybe we should start looking at earlier edge rushers? Or he'll move up and take a WR. It's Brad, he'll surprise us. 😅 Quote
1984Echoes Posted March 10 Posted March 10 I was hoping for Mike Green in the 2nd round because he was "flying under the radar"... At the time. Umm, well, he's not flying under the radar so much anymore so... Quote
4hzglory Posted March 10 Posted March 10 6 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: How ofter has Brad traded up? It seems like every draft, he makes some surprise moves. And they usually work out. Maybe instead of using draft capital on an expensive veteran, he'll use that capital to move up. Into the top 10? Maybe we should start looking at earlier edge rushers? Or he'll move up and take a WR. It's Brad, he'll surprise us. 😅 In the first twice last year and for Jamo. Quote
1984Echoes Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Also... Before we signed Barnes back... I thought the shocker that Brad was going to pull was to trade up and draft Jihaad Campbell. Now my WAG is... James Pearce? Quote
Motown Bombers Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Really no downside to this contract. It's basically the Moseley approach. Quote
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