1/20/24 2:00PM Pistons @ Rockets

[Deleterious]

Locked on Pistons had Keith Smith on as a guest.  He is a cap guru on Twitter.  Here is what he said about Beasley returning next season.

He said the Pistons will be over the cap.  Which means they can sign him for $7.2M which he said wont be enough.  Or they can use the full MLE on him which is about $14M.  

He said only two teams project to have cap space this summer.  Washington and Brooklyn, so neither one is a real big threat to sign Beasley.

He said other non-tax paying teams are the threat, the other teams with the full $14M MLE to spend.  He specifically mentioned  Houston.  He said both LA teams could be under the tax line, also OKC.  

Good teams that can offer the same amount of money would worry me.

[NYLion]

1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

Locked on Pistons had Keith Smith on as a guest.  He is a cap guru on Twitter.  Here is what he said about Beasley returning next season.

He said the Pistons will be over the cap.  Which means they can sign him for $7.2M which he said wont be enough.  Or they can use the full MLE on him which is about $14M.  

He said only two teams project to have cap space this summer.  Washington and Brooklyn, so neither one is a real big threat to sign Beasley.

He said other non-tax paying teams are the threat, the other teams with the full $14M MLE to spend.  He specifically mentioned  Houston.  He said both LA teams could be under the tax line, also OKC.  

Good teams that can offer the same amount of money would worry me.

It amazes me that a team with one guy on a rookie max and only one other non-max guy appreciably above MLE level money (Harris) is so cap strapped. 

What's a team like OKC going to do, for instance, they have $24m more committed next season than the Pistons do and two of their three best players are approaching the end of their rookie deals. So they have to trim a bunch of salary and this is before Chet and Williams are due for their monster raises. Houston has $56m more committed than the Pistons next season so they have to dump a bunch of guys to become cap compliant. Boston will almost $100m committed to their payroll than the Pistons so how are they going to make it work if the Pistons are in cap hell? I have no idea how teams are going to keep anybody together if a team like the Pistons with one rookie max deal, another decent sized contract and a bunch of filler contracts is in cap trouble.

 

Edited 10 hours ago by NYLion

[gehringer_2]

23 minutes ago, NYLion said:

What's a team like OKC going to do,

Hope the cap goes up a lot?

Seriously though - maybe basketball is going to be the place where the money for salaries to keep increasing so fast finally can't keep up. The cap is based on total league revenue is it not? If salaries have been going up faster than total revenues, someone's got to get squeezed.

Edited 10 hours ago by gehringer_2

[Betrayer]

2 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Locked on Pistons had Keith Smith on as a guest.  He is a cap guru on Twitter.  Here is what he said about Beasley returning next season.

He said the Pistons will be over the cap.  Which means they can sign him for $7.2M which he said wont be enough.  Or they can use the full MLE on him which is about $14M.  

He said only two teams project to have cap space this summer.  Washington and Brooklyn, so neither one is a real big threat to sign Beasley.

He said other non-tax paying teams are the threat, the other teams with the full $14M MLE to spend.  He specifically mentioned  Houston.  He said both LA teams could be under the tax line, also OKC.  

Good teams that can offer the same amount of money would worry me.

The good news is that nobody enticing can pay more and Beasley seems pretty happy in this locker room. He's said that he considers Detroit his "second home" since he had family here growing up. There's always the chance he wants to chase a ring, but it feels like we probably have at least a 50/50 shot at retaining him.

[Deleterious]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

Hope the cap goes up a lot?

Seriously though - maybe basketball is going to be the place where the money for salaries to keep increasing so fast finally can't keep up. The cap is based on total league revenue is it not? If salaries have been going up faster than total revenues, someone's got to get squeezed.

Its always 51% of last seasons basketball related income.  Thats why there is always that moratorium from July 1st to July 7th.  They are getting all the numbers from this season to set the new cap.

The next few years will be lower than 51% though.  The new TV deal brought massive amounts of money into the league and they didn't want the cap jumping like $40M in a single season.  So they capped all gains at 10% of the previous seasons cap.

 

[Deleterious]

1 hour ago, NYLion said:

It amazes me that a team with one guy on a rookie max and only one other non-max guy appreciably above MLE level money (Harris) is so cap strapped. 

What's a team like OKC going to do, for instance, they have $24m more committed next season than the Pistons do and two of their three best players are approaching the end of their rookie deals. So they have to trim a bunch of salary and this is before Chet and Williams are due for their monster raises. Houston has $56m more committed than the Pistons next season so they have to dump a bunch of guys to become cap compliant. Boston will almost $100m committed to their payroll than the Pistons so how are they going to make it work if the Pistons are in cap hell? I have no idea how teams are going to keep anybody together if a team like the Pistons with one rookie max deal, another decent sized contract and a bunch of filler contracts is in cap trouble.

 

The teams you list are mostly finished teams.  They don't need cap space to add talent like Detroit does.  You don't mind being over the cap when you have one of the best rosters in the league.  

It's really about the aprons though.  You mentioned OKC next year.  They are over the cap but will still be like $20 million below the first apron and $31.5 million below the second.   

There will be a time they will probably have to start moving on from some guys.  That is where the draft picks come into play and are so important now.  You move on from higher priced bench guys like Joe or even a starter like Dort.  Then try to replace them with draft picks making 25% of what those guys make.  

[buddha]

i dont think beasley will get as much as we think.  the real concern is overpaying beasley based on one year.  dont give him too many years on any deal.

go find the next beasley on a nice one year deal.  better yet, DRAFT the next beasley in round 2.

[Deleterious]

He would land you a 1st round pick at the trade deadline.  Pretty rare when a guy shoots that well on that small of a contract.  Even the apron teams can trade for him.  Increases his value quite a bit in a trade.