Hooker a bust?

[Motown Bombers]

Here's a fun fact, Hooker is older now than Goff when he was traded to the Lions. 

[CMRivdogs]

It wasn't like Bridgewater was sitting around all season with his team in Texas. At DC's press conference talking about the signing Campbell acknowledged that Bridgewater was working out. He also knew the most of the playbook from last season with the team so it wasn't like they were bringing in a complete unknown. 
There is also a lot more pressure in a playoff situation than a regular season game and at the time Bridgewater was inserted who knew how serious Geoff's injury was (he was in the tent).

I'd much rather go with someone who has had more real game experience than someone who's been holding the clipboard all season. Last season was a lost year for him with his injury.

[CMRivdogs]

BTW I wouldn't be surprised if Bridgewater joined the Lions coaching staff in some capacity in the upcoming season

[Motown Bombers]

10 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

BTW I wouldn't be surprised if Bridgewater joined the Lions coaching staff in some capacity in the upcoming season

There is an opening now that JT Barrett left for the Bears.

[holygoat]

4 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

BTW I wouldn't be surprised if Bridgewater joined the Lions coaching staff in some capacity in the upcoming season

He was very clear that he has zero desire to be an NFL coach at any level during a locker room interview after signing this year.

[Longgone]

22 hours ago, holygoat said:

lolwut?

You are evaluated throughout the entire process, every practice, your work in scrimmages, on the scout team, in preseason, it all matters in evaluating your strengths and weaknesses.

[holygoat]

6 hours ago, Longgone said:

You are evaluated throughout the entire process, every practice, your work in scrimmages, on the scout team, in preseason, it all matters in evaluating your strengths and weaknesses.

What do you believe the Lions could realistically get for Hooker in a trade?

[Longgone]

38 minutes ago, holygoat said:

What do you believe the Lions could realistically get for Hooker in a trade?

No idea

[buddha]

trey lance was traded for a 4th round pick.

kenny pickett plus a 4th round pick was traded for a third round pick and a pair of 7th rounders.

those were both former first round picks who failed.  both are also younger than hooker, trey lance is much younger.

not sure hooker would net more than either of those guys.  is it worth giving up on him for a 6th round pick or a chance to exchange a 5th to move up into the 4th?  

not sure.  we dont see him in practice every day.  i'd rather just ride with hooker and see if he pans out as a decent backup.

[Longgone]

29 minutes ago, buddha said:

trey lance was traded for a 4th round pick.

kenny pickett plus a 4th round pick was traded for a third round pick and a pair of 7th rounders.

those were both former first round picks who failed.  both are also younger than hooker, trey lance is much younger.

not sure hooker would net more than either of those guys.  is it worth giving up on him for a 6th round pick or a chance to exchange a 5th to move up into the 4th?  

not sure.  we dont see him in practice every day.  i'd rather just ride with hooker and see if he pans out as a decent backup.

Hooker hasn’t failed or had his shortcomings exposed like those two.

[NYLion]

On 1/25/2025 at 5:13 PM, Longgone said:

Hooker went in the 3rd. He’d have gone higher if healthy. He’s healthy now and has been coached in a good pro system. He has shown the requisite skills and he has value.

Hooker has skills but his skills aren't overly special. He's also a 27 year old QB who has only taken a handful of snaps in mop up duty, there's very little value with him and there's no reason for the Lions to trade him for that very reason unless they want him to get an opportunity somewhere.

[Longgone]

4 minutes ago, NYLion said:

Hooker has skills but his skills aren't overly special. He's also a 27 year old QB who has only taken a handful of snaps in mop up duty, there's very little value with him and there's no reason for the Lions to trade him for that very reason unless they want him to get an opportunity somewhere.

What are you basing this on? He has all the projection he had during the draft process, except he’s now healthy and has been trained in a very good system.

[NYLion]

1 hour ago, Longgone said:

What are you basing this on? He has all the projection he had during the draft process, except he’s now healthy and has been trained in a very good system.

No team is trading anything more than a late round pick for a 27 year old QB, 3rd round pick, that hasn't played any meaningful NFL snaps. There's no precedent for this. What valuation would you put on Hooker if you think he has value and what precedent is there for a player in this situation netting a decent pick?

[MichiganCardinal]

It’s an academic exercise because I don’t think the Lions have any interest in trading him.

Arguendo, somewhere between a 2nd round pick and a 6th round pick. Hooker fell to the 3rd because of his injury. So a clean slate rookie Hooker was probably worth a 2nd.

Even though we know nothing about his development, I doubt the same is true NFL-wide. It’s not as if there is a literal bubble around him. People talk. If he’s shown NFL potential and a team is interested, they would know his worth, though the lack of snaps would make it still a massive risk.

But again, a trade now makes no sense. You would be selling low to create a hole on your roster. “But maybe the draft pick would turn into a backup QB we could develop!”

[Nate7474]

For me he’s worth at best a 5th round pick and probably not even that. Trading him would only happen because he wants out and a chance to start while he’s young enough to have one and the team is doing his career a favor. 

[Nate7474]

I’m in the camp that probably not this year but in 26 or 27 offseason we should be in the draft market for another QB project. 

[Longgone]

2 hours ago, NYLion said:

No team is trading anything more than a late round pick for a 27 year old QB, 3rd round pick, that hasn't played any meaningful NFL snaps. There's no precedent for this. What valuation would you put on Hooker if you think he has value and what precedent is there for a player in this situation netting a decent pick?

I think you are putting way too much emphasis on how much he has played. Evaluators are going to base his value on what they perceive his abilities to be, and as far as you and I know, they haven’t diminished, but unlike you and I, the actual evaluators actually know.

[Motown Bombers]

I think a trade for Hooker made sense if Johnson took the Raiders job. They have the worst QB situation in the league and don't have the resources to get one of the top QBs. Reunite him with Johnson and see what you have. Other than not, maybe the Cowboys since they traded a 4th for Lance for some reason. 

[buddha]

36 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I think a trade for Hooker made sense if Johnson took the Raiders job. They have the worst QB situation in the league and don't have the resources to get one of the top QBs. Reunite him with Johnson and see what you have. Other than not, maybe the Cowboys since they traded a 4th for Lance for some reason. 

i wouldnt be surprised if sanders falls to the raiders.  ive seen a lot of mocks with that happening.

but then again, qbs always get overdrafted so maybe not.

[Hongbit]

The Raiders QB situation depends on how much Pittsburgh wants Russ to return.   

[Motown Bombers]

Didn't Wilson leave Seattle on bad terms with Carroll? 

[CMRivdogs]

Re Bridgewater, good article from the Athletic.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6075633/2025/01/29/teddy-bridgewater-high-school-coach/?source=freedailyemail&campaign=601983&userId=213687

Basically it says he planning on going back to coaching his high school football team in the fall. He's not announcing his retirement again.

While with the Lions he spent a lot of time with Jameson Williams (also by phone before he rejoined the team). The Lions used him basically as a "life coach". They also credited him with helping the defense (where his locker was) by playing QB on the scout team

 

[NYLion]

23 hours ago, Longgone said:

I think you are putting way too much emphasis on how much he has played. Evaluators are going to base his value on what they perceive his abilities to be, and as far as you and I know, they haven’t diminished, but unlike you and I, the actual evaluators actually know.

If you're so sure of Hooker having real value, give me a precedent of a QB in his situation netting a 3rd round pick or higher (which I assume is what you consider "value"). You keep saying he has value based on what you perceive to be high value but I haven't seen any precedent for it.

If you want to throw somebody like Jimmy G out as a comparable. Drafted late 2nd round, sat on the bench for 3 years, only 25 at the time but, ok, not that young anymore. He showed a pretty high level play in his last season with the Patriots when Brady was suspended so there was a sample size of him showing that he can play in the league and flashes potential. Until Hooker does that, and lets hope that never happens, I can't see any team risking a high round pick on him and I don't see any reason for the Lions to trade him for that very reason.

[RandyMarsh]

Malik Willis is a close comp with Hooker in terms of situation if he were to be traded this offseason. Both were QBs drafted in the 3rd round despite being projected to go earlier, Willis was entering his 3rd season like Hooker is this year, Willis had 66 career passing attempts so extremely small sample and Willis went for a 7th. 

It's not apples to apples since Willis was exposed more than Hooker has been but it was still such a small sample that it shouldn't have carried too much weight, especially given the fact that he was deemed to be more raw coming out of school. 

[KnoxP]

On 1/28/2025 at 2:55 PM, Longgone said:

I think you are putting way too much emphasis on how much he has played. Evaluators are going to base his value on what they perceive his abilities to be, and as far as you and I know, they haven’t diminished, but unlike you and I, the actual evaluators actually know.

Along the same lines, I think too much emphasis on age. Yea he's 27. I recall comments nationally about Tim Patrick's 2y of injuries being framed as he's fresher than his career might indicate.  All perspective.

Also, can't imagine he'd get much in return. Not worth a trade by himself. If you package him to move up for a player, maybe, but obviously the would they would have a replacement in mind that we don't know.

Edited Wednesday at 09:46 PM by KnoxP