1/22/24 7:30PM Pistons @ Hawks

[Tigeraholic1]

10 hours ago, Deleterious said:

2nd game in a row Cade has had at least 10 turnovers.  

He gets so lazy protecting the ball sometimes. 

[Tigeraholic1]

Another great win. Playing inspired ball. 

[NYLion]

In the last two months, on the road, the Pistons beat the Pacers, Knicks twice, Suns, Lakers, Kings, Rockets and Hawks all of whom are playoff or play in teams. They're 10-3 on the road in that stretch a lot of which was without Ivey with the only 3 losses against the Celtics twice and Denver when the Pistons weren't as confident as they are now. Pretty wild and surreal because I've (we've) been so accustomed to this being a hopeless franchise for the better part of the last 15 years. 

I don't know how sustainable it is because the roster is still pretty undermanned but I'm enjoying the hell out of it right now.

Edited January 23 by NYLion

[NYLion]

2 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

He gets so lazy protecting the ball sometimes. 

It's not just laziness, he has zero help with ballhandling responsibilities so teams are blitzing him constantly and he also has one of the highest usage rates in the league due to that. I don't think there's a team that depends on a player to ball handle more than the Pistons do with Cade. This needs to be Langdon's main priority at the deadline, get this man some help.

[Deleterious]

It's a lot of carelessness.  You can usually find multiple times per game that looks like Cade is fixing games.  He isn't obviously, I'm just saying the TO's look really comical at times.

Do they need a secondary ball handler?  Absolutely.  But lets not pretend Cade didn't have the exact same issue when Ivey was still healthy, and he's a darn good secondary ball handler.  

They need more people that can hurt teams.  Cade is our offensive cruise missile.  Beasley is a nice bazooka.  Everyone else is a cap gun that you played with as a 5 year old.  With Ivey out Cade doesn't have a single player in the starting lineup that has a legit shot at a 50 point game.  They might not have a legit shot at a guy who could get 40.  Look at the this.

THJ - 40 games played scored 20+ 4 times or 10% of his games.  Zero 30, 40, 50 point games.

Harris - 42 games played scored 20+ 5 times or 12% of his games.  Zero 30, 40, 50 point games.

Duren - 41 games played scored 20+ Zero times.  Zero 30, 40, 50 point games.

Thompson - 22 games played scored 20+ zero times.  Zero 30, 40, 50 point games.

He started last nights game with two guys that have yet to have a single game where they scored 20 points.  Combined, the 4 guys he started with have scored >20 points in a game exactly 9 times.  They had a 6% chance of having a starter other than Cade go for 20 points.  Those 4 guys have almost no shot at hurting you even if most of your defensive attention is on Cade.

FWIW, Beasley has played 44 games and gone for over 20 points 17 times.  The problem with that is, in the 1423 minutes Cade has played, only 732 have been with Beasley.  

 

[Deleterious]

 

[Deleterious]

It should be said.  20 TO's or not, he was absolutely the best player on the court in those two games.  It wasn't even close.  

[Tigeraholic1]

53 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

 

Sleepy Floyd LOL watch out Cade!

[Deleterious]

Was curious how many 20+ point games other teams get out of guys who are not their stars.  Looked at Cleveland, which is maybe a mistake considering how good they are.  But, Allen, Mobley, and Garland combined for 48 games over 20 points.  Allen is the worst of the 3 and he has 9 by himself, which is what last nights Pistons starters combined for.

You want to help Cade, get him players that can punish other teams.  Right now Beasley is the only other Piston any team  has to worry about defending.

[gehringer_2]

9 hours ago, Deleterious said:

It's a lot of carelessness

Or something. Losing the handle is one thing, but sometimes he tries passes that he should be able to see just aren't there - I have a harder time understanding how you fix that.