Musk's Illegal Control of the US Government

[oblong]

I don't think Bill and Don were "good friends".  They are NY people.  That world has a lot of cross pollination.  And Trump was always creepy, same as Bill, and we all know his history with real estate.  But it wasn't until Obama's term and after the Apprentice that he went further into his conspiracy stuff.  I don't know much about Tulsi but we have all seen how these people have switched to Pro Russia at a certain point in their career once they saw the opportunity.   I don't know what the point of all this is.  Am I supposed to hold it against Bernie b/c Tulsi went off the deep end?  Should I quit watching Curb Your Enthusiasm b/c of RFK Jr's wife?

 

[romad1]

6 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

There is a certain view - not even necessarily more leftward - but just secrecy scepticism - that thinks 95% of security secrecy is BS anyway. Sort of the John LeCarre style jaded view that in the end all the secrets are just a form of futility that don't really protect anything - they are just cover for each side believing what they want to about the other. (Read his "RussiaHouse" to get the full idea). It not a progressive tenet per say - but I think it an idea that can find a fit in a progressive mind set. I have a certain sympathy to the view - certainty not at the tactical level where you have to protect people and capabilities, but at the strategic level I am fairly sceptical that keeping  everything you are thinking secret is all that useful.

If you have truly been part of sensitive operations you are not a scofflaw about this stuff.   There is always a sense that no adversary is that good to pick up this piece of information and this other piece and make a tapestry out of it...but as a matter of fact, yes they are.  

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, oblong said:

I don't think Bill and Don were "good friends".  They are NY people.  That world has a lot of cross pollination.  And Trump was always creepy, same as Bill, and we all know his history with real estate.  But it wasn't until Obama's term and after the Apprentice that he went further into his conspiracy stuff.  I don't know much about Tulsi but we have all seen how these people have switched to Pro Russia at a certain point in their career once they saw the opportunity.   I don't know what the point of all this is.  Am I supposed to hold it against Bernie b/c Tulsi went off the deep end?  Should I quit watching Curb Your Enthusiasm b/c of RFK Jr's wife?

 

You should hold it against Sanders that multiple people who worked in his campaign launder Russian propaganda and actively work against Democrats. How many of Hillary, Biden or Harris campaign people do that? These are the types of people Sanders attracts. He and AOC should not be the face of this movement. I'm willing to bet a lot of these people at these rallies will not vote for who the Dems nominate. 

[gehringer_2]

16 minutes ago, romad1 said:

If you have truly been part of sensitive operations you are not a scofflaw about this stuff.   There is always a sense that no adversary is that good to pick up this piece of information and this other piece and make a tapestry out of it...but as a matter of fact, yes they are.  

The critique is at a higher level though - the idea is that you actually want your adversary to understand you better because it's lack of understanding that leads to the most catastrophes so the effort to make *everything* as opaque as possible can be counterproductive.  You can even extend this to capabilities to some extent, and in fact the military does occasionally believe demonstrations of 'secret' capabilities is a useful thing.

The problem is that while I understand the principle, when you get into the actual weeds of protecting tactics and assets, it's just so much easier to try to close all the doors so there is a practical side to it too.

Edited March 25 by gehringer_2

[romad1]

21 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

The critique is at a higher level though - the idea is that you actually want your adversary to understand you better because it's lack of understanding that leads to the most catastrophes so the effort to make *everything* as opaque as possible can be counterproductive.  You can even extend this to capabilities to some extent, and in fact the military does occasionally believe demonstrations of 'secret' capabilities is a useful thing.

The problem is that while I understand the principle, when you get into the actual weeds of protecting tactics and assets, it's just so much easier to try to close all the doors so there is a practical side to it too.

The specifics of why the F-35 is better than every other aircraft out there are probably correctly classified.   That saves the US taxpayer money on developing countermeasures for the countermeasures that the adversaries (really just the PRC) come up with.  The longer they are bamboozled on those specifics the better. 

The problem is that the F-35 program is a multi-trillion dollar program that is shared with many formerly allied states across the World.  Not being a good ally, as Trump is being a complete asshat, will cause some of them to question why they are supporting this program and wouldn't the Saab or other alternative be just as good at a lower price with a capability you know the F-35 has and can share with the designers.

[romad1]

Interesting

 

[Motown Bombers]

Still no statement from AOC or Sanders about the Hegseth Signal debacle. If Schumer or Jeffries don’t respond instantly to every Trump transgression, they’re weak and not fighters and not rising to the moment. 

 

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

Still no statement from AOC or Sanders about the Hegseth Signal debacle. If Schumer or Jeffries don’t respond instantly to every Trump transgression, they’re weak and not fighters and not rising to the moment. 

 

He lost twice, but he did surprisingly well for a far left candidate (although his ideas are not radical and are mainstream in many developed countries).

[romad1]

I would not stop with the sarcastic posts. 

[ewsieg]

53 minutes ago, romad1 said:

I would not stop with the sarcastic posts. 

To be fair, law enforcement always gets overly cautious when a high profile case occurs.  

[romad1]

15 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

To be fair, law enforcement always gets overly cautious when a high profile case occurs.  

I wish this were the case.  The reality is they are being directed to go whole hog on Musk stuff to make him happy so he leaves them off the cut lists. 

[chasfh]

According to the article, FBI brass did a deliberate misreading of the term "copycat killers", obvious in context as referring to healthcare CEOs following UHC's lead in denying healthcare coverage, as meaning people who will copycat kill CEOs in general.

[romad1]

5 minutes ago, chasfh said:

According to the article, FBI brass did a deliberate misreading of the term "copycat killers", obvious in context as referring to healthcare CEOs following UHC's lead in denying healthcare coverage, as meaning people who will copycat kill CEOs in general.

Well at least he's aware he's not popular.  If he moderates his actions even an iota -- on a long enough timeline - it will redress the loss of critical health research and distribution of life-saving drugs to the millions who die.   I sure can't wait for him to be the Governor of Mars. 

[RatkoVarda]

Musk found a buyer for X/Twitter, offloading it for $33B.

That's a lot less than he paid for it, and certainly a complete bullsh}t valuation in 2025.

The buyer? None other than xAI, owned by Elon Musk.

Word is the negotiations were fierce.

[Sports_Freak]

Nice headline...accurate.

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-declares-intention-to-bribe-voters-again-to-attack-u-s-judicial-system-2000582289

[romad1]

7 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Nice headline...accurate.

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-declares-intention-to-bribe-voters-again-to-attack-u-s-judicial-system-2000582289

Wisconsin AG is not having this

[Sports_Freak]

3 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Wisconsin AG is not having this

Has there been any pushback? I don't expect Bondi to stop him.

[Deleterious]

Just now, Sports_Freak said:

Has there been any pushback? I don't expect Bondi to stop him.

State matter.  Bondi has no say. 

[romad1]

Just watched a propaganda commercial in which Trump claims he will end cancer by the end of his administration.

How the **** are you gonna do that?  You are cutting all the funding and firing all the researchers!  Asshats.

[Deleterious]

2 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Just watched a propaganda commercial in which Trump claims he will end cancer by the end of his administration.

How the **** are you gonna do that?  You are cutting all the funding and firing all the researchers!  Asshats.

It's the MS.

Sorry.

[oblong]

If you kill then before they die of cancer then there will be no cancer deaths. 

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

Just watched a propaganda commercial in which Trump claims he will end cancer by the end of his administration.

How the **** are you gonna do that?  You are cutting all the funding and firing all the researchers!  Asshats.

Tell his base the cure will be an mRNA vaccine. They'll pass on it.

[Sports_Freak]

39 minutes ago, oblong said:

If you kill then before they die of cancer then there will be no cancer deaths. 

During the pandemic, a MAGA argument was car deaths were being called covid deaths. They couldn't understand why there was a huge drop in auto deaths. Not real bright....

[oblong]

“If they tag it as COVID they get more money”

[Tigerbomb13]

20 minutes ago, oblong said:

“If they tag it as COVID they get more money”

This one always got me. I have friends that were furloughed at hospitals during this time. My conspiracy theory cousin told me they ventilators were being used to kill people.