Tiger337 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 (edited) 22 minutes ago, chasfh said: I feel "schmuck" is too soft a name to call FElon. 😁 All the appropriate names have been banned. We can't even call him a **** (Allen). Edited March 12 by Tiger337 Quote
Deleterious Posted March 12 Posted March 12 That reporter seems a bit dumb. His wealth is not based on Tesla stock. Tesla has 3.22 billion public shares outstanding. Musk owns 12.9% of that which is 412,800,000 shares. At the current price of 208 per share that is just under $103 billion. OpenAI is valued at $50 billion and he owns 54% of that. SpaceX is valued around $350 billion and he owns like 42% of that. Starlink hasn't done a round of funding since 2021 but that valued it at over $70 billion. Musk owns about 40% of that. Tesla goes to zero and it dings his ego for sure. But he doesn't even flinch financially. Quote
Tiger337 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 7 minutes ago, Deleterious said: That reporter seems a bit dumb. His wealth is not based on Tesla stock. Tesla has 3.22 billion public shares outstanding. Musk owns 12.9% of that which is 412,800,000 shares. At the current price of 208 per share that is just under $103 billion. OpenAI is valued at $50 billion and he owns 54% of that. SpaceX is valued around $350 billion and he owns like 42% of that. Starlink hasn't done a round of funding since 2021 but that valued it at over $70 billion. Musk owns about 40% of that. Tesla goes to zero and it dings his ego for sure. But he doesn't even flinch financially. Not to mention that he'll make it back and more by the time he is done looting the Unied States government. Quote
Deleterious Posted March 12 Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Not to mention that he'll make it back and more by the time he is done looting the Unied States government. Certainly a possibility. Quote
romad1 Posted March 12 Author Posted March 12 15 minutes ago, Deleterious said: That reporter seems a bit dumb. His wealth is not based on Tesla stock. Tesla has 3.22 billion public shares outstanding. Musk owns 12.9% of that which is 412,800,000 shares. At the current price of 208 per share that is just under $103 billion. OpenAI is valued at $50 billion and he owns 54% of that. SpaceX is valued around $350 billion and he owns like 42% of that. Starlink hasn't done a round of funding since 2021 but that valued it at over $70 billion. Musk owns about 40% of that. Tesla goes to zero and it dings his ego for sure. But he doesn't even flinch financially. The enterprise purchases of any Musk aligned entity offshore will be severely hurt by his behavior and that of Trump. He’s in an excellent position for a person who ran all these monopolies in an anodyne manner…but acting like a sociopath nazi ain’t gonna help him keep business if alternatives can be found. Quote
Deleterious Posted March 12 Posted March 12 4 minutes ago, romad1 said: The enterprise purchases of any Musk aligned entity offshore will be severely hurt by his behavior and that of Trump. He’s in an excellent position for a person who ran all these monopolies in an anodyne manner…but acting like a sociopath nazi ain’t gonna help him keep business if alternatives can be found. Google tells me VW, Ford, Mercedes, GM, Nestle, IBM, Siemens, Chase, BASF, Bayer, and Bosch all were intertwined with Nazi Germany in some way. Every one of them still exists. They were involved with a regime that killed over 6 million people, and they exist like nothing happened. So no, I don't think Musk is in much danger there. 2 1 Quote
romad1 Posted March 12 Author Posted March 12 30 minutes ago, Deleterious said: Google tells me VW, Ford, Mercedes, GM, Nestle, IBM, Siemens, Chase, BASF, Bayer, and Bosch all were intertwined with Nazi Germany in some way. Every one of them still exists. They were involved with a regime that killed over 6 million people, and they exist like nothing happened. So no, I don't think Musk is in much danger there. The US Army Air Force and Royal Air Force dropped all those facilities to zero value. Quote
romad1 Posted March 12 Author Posted March 12 34 minutes ago, Deleterious said: Google tells me VW, Ford, Mercedes, GM, Nestle, IBM, Siemens, Chase, BASF, Bayer, and Bosch all were intertwined with Nazi Germany in some way. Every one of them still exists. They were involved with a regime that killed over 6 million people, and they exist like nothing happened. So no, I don't think Musk is in much danger there. All those companies were put back on a working basis by the US and Allies after the war. VW for example was resurrected by a British Army major who needed the locals to have jobs so he got the factory going. 1 1 Quote
CMRivdogs Posted March 13 Posted March 13 These schmucks keep pushing this BS without supplying any real proof. How much money has Musk taken from the US citizens thanks to "Entitlements" Quote
oblong Posted March 13 Posted March 13 4 hours ago, romad1 said: All those companies were put back on a working basis by the US and Allies after the war. VW for example was resurrected by a British Army major who needed the locals to have jobs so he got the factory going. The US offered Henry Ford II VW as a thank you for the company efforts. He said no. Quote
romad1 Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 (edited) 16 minutes ago, oblong said: The US offered Henry Ford II VW as a thank you for the company efforts. He said no. The V Corp Headquarters in Frankfurt was in the IG Farben building. It had a dumbwaiter elevator that i was shocked hadn't killed anyone. Edited March 13 by romad1 1 Quote
The Ronz Posted March 13 Posted March 13 5 hours ago, romad1 said: The US Army Air Force and Royal Air Force dropped all those facilities to zero value. They did and GM sued the U.S. Government for reparations because of that very fact and won over $30 million dollars. https://aadl.org/node/196687 Quote
The Ronz Posted March 13 Posted March 13 IG Farben made Zyklon B. John Denver - of all people - explains it here: Quote
romad1 Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 6 hours ago, The Ronz said: They did and GM sued the U.S. Government for reparations because of that very fact and won over $30 million dollars. https://aadl.org/node/196687 The cautionary tale here is that the Left had the House and Senate in 1974 and the author of that piece Bradford Snell (talk about a name that was on the nose) was a staffer for the Congressional committee trying to break up monopolies. He was a GM hater for a variety of reasons. Not saying if those reasons were valid or not. Not having a majority anywhere in the US Government makes the opposition pretty damn weak. Not having any the media report on what is happening in a straight way is weaker. GM surviving its bankruptcy in the 2000s probably had that guy rolling in his grave(not sure if he's alive or not). This article takes on the thesis that the multi-nationals were as blamable as Snell and the other New Left types thought. https://undsoc.org/2021/05/31/forced-labor-and-multinational-corporations/ Let me state that the conditions on the ground are very different because in this case the monopoly is dominated by a person in Musk who has extra-Constitutional access and control of multiple US Government agencies and the executive branch and who is manipulating ongoing US foreign policy to punish allies (e.g., Poland). The closest parallel to the WWII era might have been Henry Ford who was an anti-Semite but during WWII was nothing but patriotic and supplied several B-24s, Jeeps, M4 tanks, etc. Actually, Ford empowered and on drugs might have been very similar but even he didn't control as much monopolistic power as Musk does. Quote
romad1 Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 Actually...this particular matter would be a very good thesis for historiography. Hmmm. Quote
romad1 Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 and still speaking of them Just Jack: "Congress doesn't have time to negotiate a bipartisan budget to run the government. They do have time to investigate anything bugging their oligarch overlords. www.yahoo.com/news/johnson..." — Bluesky Quote
mtutiger Posted March 13 Posted March 13 49 minutes ago, romad1 said: speaking of the asshole Shouldn't be lost on anyone that his statement can be read as absolving Stalin, Mao and Hitler for their actions... 1 Quote
chasfh Posted March 13 Posted March 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, romad1 said: speaking of the asshole They make it sound like Hitler, Mao, and Stalin could not have been at fault for their genocides simply because they identified and hired the five percent of their populations who would find it thrilling to carry them out at their behest. Edited March 13 by chasfh Quote
romad1 Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 (edited) 5 minutes ago, chasfh said: They make it sound like Hitler, Mao, and Stalin could not have been at fault for their genocides simply because they identified and hired the five percent of their populations who would find it thrilling to carry them out at their behest. Reading Jung Chang and Jon Halliday's very interesting Mao biography for the past few months. Boy, that Mao guy was a bastard. Hitler obviously front and center was evil and there are 4-5 Holocaust movies every Oscar season to tell us how. Stalin's evil has only really ever been captured in a few pieces of media. Death of Stalin is so very good. But Mao...that guy...the paranoia, the emperor has no clothes aspects, the hangers on being worse and more venal, its just a lot. He killed more than both Stalin and Hitler so there is that. Edited March 13 by romad1 Quote
chasfh Posted March 13 Posted March 13 5 minutes ago, romad1 said: Reading Jung Chang and Jon Halliday's very interesting Mao biography for the past few months. Boy, that Mao guy was a bastard. Hitler obviously front and center was evil and there are 4-5 Holocaust movies every Oscar season to tell us how. Stalin's evil has only really ever been captured in a few pieces of media. Death of Stalin is so very good. But Mao...that guy...the paranoia, the emperor has no clothes aspects, the hangers on being worse and more venal, it’s just a lot. He killed more than both Stalin and Hitler so there is that. Apropos of nothing, Death of Stalin has become one of my ten go-to movies I will watch every time it’s on, and can turn on at any point in the middle of it and be happy to watch it through to the end. 1 Quote
romad1 Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 1 minute ago, chasfh said: Apropos of nothing, Death of Stalin has become one of my ten go-to movies I will watch every time it’s on, and can turn on at any point in the middle of it and be happy to watch it through to the end. Ditto. Most interesting part is that in the "trial" of Beria scene you can see a lot of very slavic looking faces in that melee. I think they brought in people who had actually experienced the horrors first hand to add to the gravity of that. Quote
romad1 Posted March 14 Author Posted March 14 (edited) First time reposting a mastodon post. If anyone wants to re-litigate World War 2 and what happened to Germany and Japan as a result thereof. From my optic: it appears that every one of the Nazi companies value was reduced to zero and control was taken over by the conquering allies. For the Japanese it was a different matter but they all benefited from Allied occupation and reorganization. Edited March 14 by romad1 1 Quote
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