Musk's Illegal Control of the US Government

[gehringer_2]

35 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Maybe the mainstream dems should get out of the 90s and merge with Bernie and AOC.  

I'm not sure Bernie isn't still in the 60's.

I still don't feel like the Dems have figured out how to talk about economics. I think Biden had a clearer and better vision of what needed to change but he was abysmal at communicating it - partly because I think he recognized that his ideas were not particularly popular with progressives and since in the Dem party the progressives tend to suck up the media oxygen, he decided not to talk about it much - just do it and hope people saw results. But A) he simply ran out of gas, B) 4 years is too short to change much structurally, C)  you had the covid money supply inflation but D) mainly in the US you don't get credit for doing anything if the media doesn't 'recognize' you for doing it and the media in the US is close to totally ignorant about real world economics. It may be the only thing they know less about than science.

Edited March 25 by gehringer_2

[romad1]

 

[pfife]

Rapid SCHEDULED disassembly of Social Security

[Motown Bombers]

8 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Maybe the mainstream dems should get out of the 90s and merge with Bernie and AOC.  

That's the last thing they should do. Biden did that. He pulled out of Afghanistan like they wanted, and it wasn't good enough. He tried to cancel their student debt, which was overall unpopular, and it wasn't good enough. He passed the largest infrastructure bill ever that included the most spending for green energy ever, included a cap on insulin like Bernie Sanders had wanted, allowed Medicare to negotiate drug prices like they wanted, and AOC voted no on it because it didn't include everything on her wish list. Biden also passed the first gun safety bill in nearly 30 years, and they just shrugged. AOC voted with Marjorie Taylor Greene on sanctions on Russia and capped it off by supporting terrorists in a conflict halfway around the world that didn't involve US troops. They wanted Biden to call for a ceasefire, he did, and they moved to an arms embargo. They wanted Biden to be anti-Israel. They moved Biden to the left and he was the most progressive president since Johnson, and they threw him under the bus. On top of that, progressives did horribly in the primaries. A couple of them even lost. Normal Democrats did fine down ballot.

You know who one of the most popular governors in the country is? Andy Beshear, a normal rank and file Dem in ruby red Kentucky. That's who Dems should merge with. 

[chasfh]

12 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Doing a quick background on her, and she's another rat****ing leftist. First, she doesn't even live in the district she's running for. She didn't even live in the state until a year ago It's one of the bluest districts in Illinois and has a longtime incumbent. The incumbent is not some conservative dem, she's a member of the progressive caucus who wanted to not use the word manufacturing because it wasn't inclusive and gender neutral. This Kat person used to be a Republican. Why is she carpetbagging in Illinois and taking on a progressive incumbent? Because this incumbent apparently wasn't sufficiently anti-Harris over Gaza. She also has no political experience and goes straight for congress. 

I won’t hold growing up in a Reagan Republican household against her, but I am a little skeptical of the whole TikTok influencer background, which means she seeks to attract extreme attention first and foremost, and her very young age, which means she just barely solidified her prefrontal cortex. She may still be bouncing around various ideologies to see what fits best, and she might be trying out different approaches to see what gets her the most engagement. I wouldn’t vote for her just because she’s a D who’s easy on the eyes. 

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

 

They don’t want you to have the money. They want that money. They first have to get you used to the idea that Social Security will not be there for you when you need it. That will make this job much easier for them.

I think people are inadvertently misleading themselves (and others) when they term all the bad stuff happening to the government because of Musk as “mistakes” and/or that the Muskovites are “stupid”. Characterizing this in that way simply lets those people off the hook by portraying them as honest actors trying to work on behalf of the American people and that things are merely not going as well as planned.

Let’s be crystal on this: they are not stupid, and they are not making mistakes. More to this particular point, they are not making mistakes with Social Security, and they are not doing all this because they are stupid.

Edited March 25 by chasfh

[Motown Bombers]

7 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I won’t hold growing up in a Reagan Republican household against her, but I am a little skeptical of the whole TikTok influencer background, which means she seeks to attract extreme attention first and foremost, and her very young age, which means she just barely solidified her prefrontal cortex. She may still be bouncing around various ideologies to see what fits best, and she might be trying out different approaches to see what gets her the most engagement. I wouldn’t vote for her just because she’s a D who’s easy on the eyes. 

I don't know why she doesn't carpetbag in a swing district and challenge a republican? She's challenging a well-established progressive congresswoman.  Why doesn't she run for council and then congress? I get Republican in sheep's clothing with her, like that one in North Carolina who changed stripes after winning as a liberal Dem. 

[oblong]

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

They don’t want you to have the money. They want that money. They first have to get you used to the idea that Social Security will not be there for you when you need it. That will make this job much easier for them.

I think people are inadvertently misleading themselves (and others) when they term all the bad stuff happening to the government because of Musk as “mistakes” and/or that the Muskovites are “stupid”. Characterizing this in that way simply lets those people off the hook by portraying them as honest actors trying to work on behalf of the American people and that things are merely not going as well as planned.

Let’s be crystal on this: they are not stupid, and they are not making mistakes. More to this particular point, they are not making mistakes with Social Security, and they are not doing all this because they are stupid.

And GenX will be the immediate losers.  Face it, we're not young anymore.  We're almost at retirement. 

Someone suggested going in and downloading your earnings statements.  I have mine.  

 

[Motown Bombers]

GenX is Trump's biggest supporters. I went in and had a new social security card sent to me just in case. I'm completely surrounded by immigrants, and I legitimately worry ICE will raid the wrong house thinking I'm the Ukrainians next door. Need to be able to prove my citizenship. 

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

I don't know why she doesn't carpetbag in a swing district and challenge a republican? She's challenging a well-established progressive congresswoman.  Why doesn't she run for council and then congress? I get Republican in sheep's clothing with her, like that one in North Carolina who changed stripes after winning as a liberal Dem. 

Maybe because she knows she would win a safe district and lose a swing district?

Council members can't get social media engagement and spike their income like congressional reps.

That said, I don't know that she's a MAGA in progressive's clothing, although she is certainly good-looking enough to be.

[Motown Bombers]

28 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Maybe because she knows she would win a safe district and lose a swing district?

Council members can't get social media engagement and spike their income like congressional reps.

That said, I don't know that she's a MAGA in progressive's clothing, although she is certainly good-looking enough to be.

In order to get the nomination, she would have to unseat a well-established congresswoman. She's more likely to lose this primary. It seems like a complete grift to me. 

[chasfh]

7 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

In order to get the nomination, she would have to unseat a well-established congresswoman. She's more likely to lose this primary. It seems like a complete grift to me. 

There's always that probability, too, since she is starting to get the publicity she needs to goose her follower numbers.

[Motown Bombers]

3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

There's always that probability, too, since she is starting to get the publicity she needs to goose her follower numbers.

I think she's the next Nina Turner. She'll run, lose, blame the establishment and start a podcast about how horrible the Dems while pretending to be a progressive. 

[Tigerbomb13]

Death, taxes, and Bombers complaining about progressives 

[Motown Bombers]

I've been fooled by these fake progressives one too many times. There's a lot of red flags with this woman but sure vote for her since she's a young blond who says the right things on social media. She's more likely another Sinema or Fetterman. With that said, she's literally challenging a progressive. 

[romad1]

its not beyond the Peter Thiels of the world to create agent provocateurs.   

The "Run for Something" people do have a good process.  They were responsible for Mallory McMorrow.  

[Motown Bombers]

With Musk's money, and no guardrails on foreign influence from the social media companies, we are going to see Trojan Horse candidates pop up in Democratic primaries. This woman screams Trojan Horse. I see some slipping through like that one in North Carolina. 

[romad1]

8 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

With Musk's money, and no guardrails on foreign influence from the social media companies, we are going to see Trojan Horse candidates pop up in Democratic primaries. This woman screams Trojan Horse. I see some slipping through like that one in North Carolina. 

Just as we needed a new media landscape, we do need to be vigilant as to the composition of the opposition party.  When and if there is a blue wave it needs to be a blue wave of people committed to and responsive to their voters as well as the need for good government, rule of law, etc. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

16 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Good thing we didn't elect Hillary. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Just now, Motown Bombers said:

Good thing we didn't elect Hillary. 

You are trying to point out by posting a picture of Bernie and Tulsi together that he promoted her and used her a a surrogate on the campaign trail. Fine, fair enough, because it's true. The Clinton's were good friends with Trump to the point that they hung out with him and went to his wedding. So they were friends with the literal scumbag we all hate now.

I could also come on here and post pictures of Bill Clinton and Mark Rich. Bill Clinton and Jim and Susan McDougal. Bill Clinton and Jim Guy Tucker. Bill Clinton and any number of his Chinese associates that the DNC unlawfully took campaign contributions from in 1996. Bill Clinton and any number of the shady cats he was associated with that spent time in prison or fled the country.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

You are trying to point out by posting a picture of Bernie and Tulsi together that he promoted her and used her a a surrogate on the campaign trail. Fine, fair enough, because it's true. The Clinton's were good friends with Trump to the point that they hung out with him and went to his wedding. So they were friends with the literal scumbag we all hate now.

I could also come on here and post pictures of Bill Clinton and Mark Rich. Bill Clinton and Jim and Susan McDougal. Bill Clinton and Jim Guy Tucker. Bill Clinton and any number of his Chinese associates that the DNC unlawfully took campaign contributions from in 1996. Bill Clinton and any number of the shady cats he was associated with that spent time in prison or fled the country.

Donald Trump was never involved in Bill or Hillary's campaign the way known anti-democrat misinformation peddlers like Nina Turner, Brie Brie and David Sirota who had high ranking positions in Sanders campaign, and not to mention Cornel West who is still a fellow of the Sanders Institute who ran as a Democratic spoiler. I'm also not interested in a president from 30 years ago who's no longer relevant in the party. 

[Motown Bombers]

I wonder why Sanders and AOC haven't said a peep on Twitter about the Signal **** up? Aren't these two supposed to be the fighters that are saving democracy? Chuck Schumer even has multiple tweets about it. AOC and Sanders are silent. 

[Deleterious]

FT starts to walk back their Tesla fraud claim.

Filling in that Tesla ‘crack’

 

[gehringer_2]

14 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I wonder why Sanders and AOC haven't said a peep on Twitter about the Signal **** up? Aren't these two supposed to be the fighters that are saving democracy? Chuck Schumer even has multiple tweets about it. AOC and Sanders are silent. 

There is a certain view - not even necessarily more leftward - but just secrecy scepticism - that thinks 95% of security secrecy is BS anyway. Sort of the John LeCarre style jaded view that in the end all the secrets are just a form of futility that don't really protect anything - they are just cover for each side believing what they want to about the other. (Read his "RussiaHouse" to get the full idea). It not a progressive tenet per say - but I think it an idea that can find a fit in a progressive mind set. I have a certain sympathy to the view - certainty not at the tactical level where you have to protect people and capabilities, but at the strategic level I am fairly sceptical that keeping  everything you are thinking secret is all that useful.

Edited March 25 by gehringer_2