2025 MLB Thread

[Tiger337]

3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

One of the beauties of baseball is that it is a game of logic, with double-entry bookkeeping, so charging fielder errors for one position as earned while maintaining they are unearned for the other eight positions—and also, maintaining that such runs are earned against pitchers while it is considered not earned by anyone on offense, apparently to satisfy some sort of maximal punishment directive against pitchers—would be illogical and capricious.

 

Like the extra inning base runner?

[chasfh]

11 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Like the extra inning base runner?

I don’t love that either, but that was in the international rules before the big leagues adopted it, so … 🤷‍♂️

When that runner scores, it is an unearned run, which is also logical because the runner did not earn his way on against any pitcher. That came up at the game I was at Wednesday because when Noah Davis came into the game, his season ERA was shown to be 0.00, even though he was the guy who gave up the walk off hit in the 10th inning on his one and only pitch the night before.

[ben9753]

Hot take:

Errors are dumb and should be eliminated. If the batter puts the ball in play and reaches base it should be a hit.

[ben9753]

Sometimes defenders make unbelievable plays to save the pitchers bacon, sometimes they screw up and cost the pitcher. That's part of the game. For some reason, in this particular aspect, we try to unwind history and give the pitcher a pass.

[Tiger337]

14 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I don’t love that either, but that was in the international rules before the big leagues adopted it, so … 🤷‍♂️

When that runner scores, it is an unearned run, which is also logical because the runner did not earn his way on against any pitcher. That came up at the game I was at Wednesday because when Noah Davis came into the game, his season ERA was shown to be 0.00, even though he was the guy who gave up the walk off hit in the 10th inning on his one and only pitch the night before.

The run itself is illogical because a run scores without anyone getting on base.  I will never get used to it.  I lose interest in games as soon as they reach extra innings now.  

[chasfh]

43 minutes ago, ben9753 said:

Hot take:

Errors are dumb and should be eliminated. If the batter puts the ball in play and reaches base it should be a hit.

I've been coming around to this more lately. I mentioned this the other day to a guy who sits next to me at ballgames. He seem offended by the idea.

[RandyMarsh]

I've been thinking that for awhile, I mean if a batter gets robbed due to a fielder making a spectacular play they don't reward the batter with anything. 

[Tiger337]

56 minutes ago, ben9753 said:

Hot take:

Errors are dumb and should be eliminated. If the batter puts the ball in play and reaches base it should be a hit.

I've always thought that errors should be treated like like an HBP where they counted in on base percentage as a time on base.  I don't know if I'd treat it the same as a hit though because I think should count against the fielder.  I believe the UZR fielding metric stil includes errors in the calculation since it is known that the fielder should have turned that batted ball into an out.   

[ben9753]

Imagine if in hockey a defenseman falls down leading to a breakaway goal and we said, nah that’s an unearned goal. He doesn’t get credit for the goal and it doesn’t count against the goalies GAA. A defender in football makes a mistake leading to a big gain. We don’t credit the QB or the WR. It’s crazy. There’s literally no other place in sports this is done.