Deleterious Posted February 27 Posted February 27 21 minutes ago, NYLion said: It did seem like you took a shot at him when you say it's no surprise that the Pistons got badly outplayed with Beasley, and the other two, on the court. The Pistons are a good team and he's been their 2nd best player (offensively at least). Ideally you don't want him to be that going forward but he's been a god send for this team this year on and off the court tbh. Beware of overpaying him though, that I'd agree with. Maybe poorly worded and lazy on my part. I just mean good teams have Beasley at the back of their rotation. For the Pistons to improve they have to bring in players that move Beasley there. I have absolutely no issues giving him the full $14 million this summer and hope they do. But I don't have much desire for anything long term with him. Quote
Shinzaki Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Prior to the calf injury...didn't Ausar kinda stumble when he was heading to the basket? That calf might have been an ongoing issue during the game Quote
Betrayer Posted February 27 Posted February 27 The Pistons just beat an NBA superpower with their only All-Star having a bad shooting night. Let that sink in. First I need to say that Beasley as 9th man on a good/contending team is a laughable take. This is a good team right now. The dude is a league recognized 6th man candidate who outplayed the other 6th man candidate handily last night. He's quite literally doing things this year that only Curry has done with his shooting percent on that volume. The "this is a bad team" stuff I keep hearing is simply doubling down on bad takes from the offseason and stubbornness to come off of preconceived bias. It's so easy to be a contrarian because only 1 team wins the title so you can always say "see, they didn't win it all", but bad teams don't do what the Pistons are doing night in and night out this season. And the best part is that the average age of the core players is 22. JB deserves coach of the year if this continues. Cleveland has been up and coming for a while and if you told people before the season that they'd win a ton of regular season games, it would have at least been in the realm of possibility. No way anyone would believe you if you told them what the Pistons are doing. No way in hell. He's got this entire team buying in on both ends. Guys like Beasley, Harris, and THJ that everyone ridiculed in the offseason for their defense are giving full effort on that end and making a difference. Every one of them had key defensive plays in that game last night. Speaking of which, its time to give Tobias some love as the solid vet floor-raiser many of us predicted he would be in the offseason. He's been very good for a while now. The three point shot could still use some work, but he's been clutch in so many other categories and is at the top of the league in +/-. And finally...Ausar. The last time I witnessed a Piston completely control a game without scoring was Ben Wallace. Ausar in the starting lineup has been that crazy. The number of steals, stops, extra possessions, and running opportunities he generates is unreal. This dude is a lock for All Defense first team every year if they ever let him start playing 30 minutes per night. 1 1 Quote
buddha Posted February 27 Posted February 27 kenny atkinson is going to get coach of the year, but JB will get votes. no jaylon brown and the celtics on a back to back on the road right before they take on the best team in the league. second half legs could be expected /debbiedowner 🙂 Quote
NYLion Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) 23 hours ago, Deleterious said: Maybe poorly worded and lazy on my part. I just mean good teams have Beasley at the back of their rotation. For the Pistons to improve they have to bring in players that move Beasley there. I have absolutely no issues giving him the full $14 million this summer and hope they do. But I don't have much desire for anything long term with him. Well, this is poorly worded too. He's in the running, if not the leading candidate, for 6th man of the year on a good team unless you think the Pistons aren't a good team which I'd take issue with. As I said before, the Pistons will need a better 2nd scoring option when they're ready to really contend and they need to be careful to not overpay but you're really downplaying the impact Beasley has had on the team this year. Edited February 28 by NYLion 1 Quote
Deleterious Posted February 28 Posted February 28 The only thing I'm 100% sure on with Beasley is I'm not pulling into his driveway. Other than that, I'm going off of his career 550+ games and not the 10% sample size we have going now. I'm going off teams passing him around like he is the prom queen. I'm going off him being a free agent two times the past two seasons and nobody wanting him either time. A rotation player on a good team and nobody wanted him twice? The Bucks gave him a veterans minimum two years ago. Vet min guys are rarely mentioned as rotation guys on good teams. Speaking of the Bucks. Lets go ask their fans about Beasley. Damn near started every game last year for them. Shot 41% from three on 7 attempts per game. His shooting got even better in the playoffs when he upped it to 44% from three. But why did they stop starting him and drastically cut his minutes then? Oh yeah, he's a civ on defense. The opted for 35 year old Pat Bev instead, a guy not even in the league this year. Why do we all have to be mouth breathers? Every single year we see guys perform in the regular season that can't do it in the playoffs. Every single year we see guys go on heaters and have a good year with no ability to recreate it in the future. I have said the entire season how good Beasley is playing. I think you could argue he was the best FA move of the summer for any team. I have said I want to bring him back at the most money the Pistons can give him (minus roster moves). But I'm wrong for judging him based on 90% of his career instead of the 10% that fits your narrative. If he strings together a few seasons like this, with playoff results, then things change. But until then I will keep judging the entire body of work. Quote
Betrayer Posted February 28 Posted February 28 51 minutes ago, Deleterious said: If he strings together a few seasons like this, with playoff results, then things change. If he strings together a few seasons like this, then he's in All-Star consideration.. The only other player to have these shooting numbers has been Curry (he did it 5 times). Acting like he's the 9th man on a contender is simply not wanting to back down from pre-season hot takes, when everyone on here was saying that these three vets are the same as Bogie, Burks, and Harris. The fact is he's neck and neck with the 6th man on Boston (a contender) and just outplayed him. Looking through the other contender's rosters, he'd be 6th man or starter on most of those teams except maybe Cleveland after they got Hunter where he might be 7th man. Quote
RandyMarsh Posted February 28 Posted February 28 21 hours ago, buddha said: kenny atkinson is going to get coach of the year, but JB will get votes. no jaylon brown and the celtics on a back to back on the road right before they take on the best team in the league. second half legs could be expected /debbiedowner 🙂 Otoh Holiday, Porzingis or Horford played the night before so they should've been well rested. Quote
Betrayer Posted February 28 Posted February 28 21 hours ago, buddha said: no jaylon brown and the celtics on a back to back on the road right before they take on the best team in the league. second half legs could be expected /debbiedowner 🙂 Yea, I'm sure you predicted a 20 point win by the Pistons before the game. So expected 🤣 I hope you placed a bet and won a bunch of money since it was so obvious the Pistons were going to beat the champs with their abundance of All-Stars still playing 1 Quote
Deleterious Posted February 28 Posted February 28 19 minutes ago, Betrayer said: If he strings together a few seasons like this, then he's in All-Star consideration.. The only other player to have these shooting numbers has been Curry (he did it 5 times). Acting like he's the 9th man on a contender is simply not wanting to back down from pre-season hot takes, when everyone on here was saying that these three vets are the same as Bogie, Burks, and Harris. The fact is he's neck and neck with the 6th man on Boston (a contender) and just outplayed him. Looking through the other contender's rosters, he'd be 6th man or starter on most of those teams except maybe Cleveland after they got Hunter where he might be 7th man. 7th is the back of a rotation, even more so when the playoffs start. Quote
NYLion Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) 3 hours ago, Deleterious said: The only thing I'm 100% sure on with Beasley is I'm not pulling into his driveway. Other than that, I'm going off of his career 550+ games and not the 10% sample size we have going now. I'm going off teams passing him around like he is the prom queen. I'm going off him being a free agent two times the past two seasons and nobody wanting him either time. A rotation player on a good team and nobody wanted him twice? The Bucks gave him a veterans minimum two years ago. Vet min guys are rarely mentioned as rotation guys on good teams. Speaking of the Bucks. Lets go ask their fans about Beasley. Damn near started every game last year for them. Shot 41% from three on 7 attempts per game. His shooting got even better in the playoffs when he upped it to 44% from three. But why did they stop starting him and drastically cut his minutes then? Oh yeah, he's a civ on defense. The opted for 35 year old Pat Bev instead, a guy not even in the league this year. Why do we all have to be mouth breathers? Every single year we see guys perform in the regular season that can't do it in the playoffs. Every single year we see guys go on heaters and have a good year with no ability to recreate it in the future. I have said the entire season how good Beasley is playing. I think you could argue he was the best FA move of the summer for any team. I have said I want to bring him back at the most money the Pistons can give him (minus roster moves). But I'm wrong for judging him based on 90% of his career instead of the 10% that fits your narrative. If he strings together a few seasons like this, with playoff results, then things change. But until then I will keep judging the entire body of work. Quite frankly I don't care about what he did with the Bucks last year or the previous few years or whatever. Sometimes guys just don't fit at other places then find their fit in another place and it clicks. Maybe it's a one-off, maybe it's not sustainable. I really don't know, but what I do know in the here and now is that Beasley has been great for the Pistons this season which is what I'm basing my praise of him on. I even said that I'd be careful to not overpay him on his next contract and that I think the Pistons need to find a better 2nd option going forward but, again, in the here and now Beasley is certainly better than an end of the bench player on a good team. There's absolutely no debating this so I'm not sure why you're arguing with me about his future here when I'm not saying that they should back the brinks truck up for him. Edited February 28 by NYLion 1 Quote
Deleterious Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Song Beasley is a 7th/8th/9th player on a good team is not controversial. Even Betrayer agrees with me Quote
Betrayer Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 2/27/2025 at 9:45 AM, Deleterious said: He's an 8th/9th man at best on a good/contending team. 3 hours ago, Deleterious said: 7th is the back of a rotation, even more so when the playoffs start. Back-peddle away. It's ok to admit you were just trying to be edgy and it was a bad hot take 🤣 The only coach who considers 7th the "back of the rotation" is Tibbs and Beasley would be 6th man on that team anyway, along with nearly every other contending team. And that's before we get into the "good" teams you mentioned, where it's not even a question. We've been talking on here for 20+ years now and you know I like to be just as critical as you, but we have to get out of the doom and gloom occasionally and give credit where it's due. Nobody expected this season's outcome and these guys are playing good ball. Try to enjoy it for a minute. Quote
buddha Posted February 28 Posted February 28 3 hours ago, Betrayer said: Yea, I'm sure you predicted a 20 point win by the Pistons before the game. So expected 🤣 I hope you placed a bet and won a bunch of money since it was so obvious the Pistons were going to beat the champs with their abundance of All-Stars still playing i knew you'd respond. lol. 😉 1 Quote
Deleterious Posted February 28 Posted February 28 19 minutes ago, Betrayer said: Back-peddle away. It's ok to admit you were just trying to be edgy and it was a bad hot take 🤣 The only coach who considers 7th the "back of the rotation" is Tibbs and Beasley would be 6th man on that team anyway, along with nearly every other contending team. And that's before we get into the "good" teams you mentioned, where it's not even a question. We've been talking on here for 20+ years now and you know I like to be just as critical as you, but we have to get out of the doom and gloom occasionally and give credit where it's due. Nobody expected this season's outcome and these guys are playing good ball. Try to enjoy it for a minute. Nobody is backpedaling. You said 7th and I think 8th on Cleveland. Not going to drag on this argument over that. Also not real sure how this is doom and gloom. Praised the guy all year. Have said repeatedly I want him back and even said I would go up to $20 million next year before I knew they can't. You can enjoy your teams success and still understand who they are as players. Quote
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