Sports_Freak Posted March 13 Posted March 13 12 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: So did Kenny Holland yet he ended up ineffective. Sometime guys find a combination in one place or time and can't reproduce it in others. They got a big energy boost from a new coach but that's not looking sustainable. By any objective measure this team is not improving very fast and the FO has been making moves over multiple years that can't be defended. By that measure the comparison is spot on whether we like it or not. We just keep hearing that it's the next crop of kids to come up will be the difference. If it were any one other than Yzerman and his track record he'd be on a very hot seat for this performance in this place. I heard someone on TV say the current playoff drought is the longest in franchise history? Worse than the Darkness with Harkness years? That would be surprising. Quote
lordstanley Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 10 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: I heard someone on TV say the current playoff drought is the longest in franchise history? Worse than the Darkness with Harkness years? That would be surprising. The Wings made the playoffs in 1970 and 1978 and 1984. This is the longest. Although missing the playoffs so many times from 1971-1983 was hard to do when almost every team made it in back then. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted March 13 Posted March 13 4 minutes ago, lordstanley said: The Wings made the playoffs in 1970 and 1978 and 1984. This is the longest. Although missing the playoffs so many times from 1971-1983 was hard to do when almost every team made it in back then. I remember watching a playoff series against the Atlanta Flames that we won. Billy LaHead (sp?) scored the winning goal. I think... Quote
motownblues Posted March 13 Posted March 13 10 hours ago, Hongbit said: Who do you trade? Augustine has skills that are off the charts for his age but lacks the ideal size of today’s NHL goaltenders. Cossa is the perfect size and while less skilled is still very good. Augustine is two years younger which again could be viewed as both good or bad depending on the viewpoint. Sort of like the dilemma the Wings had in the 50's when they had Hall and sawchuck. Quote
lordstanley Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: I remember watching a playoff series against the Atlanta Flames that we won. Billy LaHead (sp?) scored the winning goal. I think... Correct. A best of 3 against Atlanta, Game 2 was at the Olympia and was a rare televised home game. Lochead deked the goalie and tapped it in on the way by the net. Have never heard Bruce Martyn more excited. For years I considered that the biggest highlight since being a Wings fan. Edited March 13 by lordstanley Quote
lordstanley Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 DeBrincat takes a double minor late in the 2nd and the Sabres score to close to 4-3 Quote
lordstanley Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 Kane’s 2nd power play goal makes it 5-3 Wings early in 3rd. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted March 13 Posted March 13 24 minutes ago, lordstanley said: Correct. A best of 3 against Atlanta, Game 2 was at the Olympia and was a rare televised home game. Lochead deked the goalie and tapped it in on the way by the net. Have never heard Bruce Martyn more excited. For years I considered that the biggest highlight since being a Wings fan. Same with me. I grew up watching the Wings miss the playoffs every year. Most of the games I followed on the radio. Every game, Sid Abel would talk about "golden opportunities." Lol Quote
lordstanley Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 (edited) Final, WIngs win (edit: 38 seconds to go). 5 point night for Kane, 2G 3A. Four points for DeB and 3 points for Kasper. Edited March 13 by lordstanley Quote
lordstanley Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Every game, Sid Abel would talk about "golden opportunities." Lol Yes. And "the National League", "a 4 point game", "from the old school" and "Katy bar the door". I was confused by a 4 point game, I thought he meant the Wings would get double the normal points if they won that night. When he just meant that you'd not only get 2 points but prevent a close rival from getting 2 points. Plus I thought "old school" was an actual building where veteran players and coaches would go in the summer, like a hockey camp, lol. As much as guys like us got our share of Red Wings glory in the '90s and '00s, I have to keep in mind that a student graduating college this year was only 5 years old when the Wings last won the Cup and so a whole generation doesn't remember the Wings being great year in year out. Edited March 13 by lordstanley Quote
Shinzaki Posted March 13 Posted March 13 1 hour ago, lordstanley said: The Wings made the playoffs in 1970 and 1978 and 1984. This is the longest. Although missing the playoffs so many times from 1971-1983 was hard to do when almost every team made it in back then. Those were some tough, tough years for hockey in Detroit...every time they started making headway they'd do something stupid ...like trading Mike Foligno or Murray Craven (for one year of a shot Daryl Sittler) or signing Rogie Vachon as a FA...a move that eventually cost them 1st round picks in 1980 and 1981 and then flipping picks with Minnesota so they could draft Brian Bellows while we got the pick that became Craven and the drugged out Don Murdoch who played a half a season in Detroit. It was a never ending nightmare that didn't start to abate until Yzerman hit town and the drafting improved Quote
Shinzaki Posted March 13 Posted March 13 Marco Kasper is making a case to be the 2C we've searched for since Filppula left for FA. Steven Weiss...Frans Nielsen..Copp...Compher...none of them lived up to their billing. Kasper could be the man 1 Quote
lordstanley Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Shinzaki said: Those were some tough, tough years for hockey in Detroit...every time they started making headway they'd do something stupid ...like trading Mike Foligno or Murray Craven (for one year of a shot Daryl Sittler) or signing Rogie Vachon 1 Quote
buddha Posted March 13 Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Shinzaki said: Those were some tough, tough years for hockey in Detroit...every time they started making headway they'd do something stupid ...like trading Mike Foligno or Murray Craven (for one year of a shot Daryl Sittler) or signing Rogie Vachon as a FA...a move that eventually cost them 1st round picks in 1980 and 1981 and then flipping picks with Minnesota so they could draft Brian Bellows while we got the pick that became Craven and the drugged out Don Murdoch who played a half a season in Detroit. It was a never ending nightmare that didn't start to abate until Yzerman hit town and the drafting improved it didnt really stop until they discovered russians and swedes. remember trading adam oates for bernie federko and tony mckegnee? we had to get "tougher" so we might be able to take edmonton to 6 games instead of losing in our usual 5. or heck, trying to beat st louis, chicago, toronto or minnesota in round one... Quote
buddha Posted March 13 Posted March 13 1983. in addition to yzerman, they took klima and PROBERT, KOCUR, AND GRIMSON! its the toughest draft in wings history. oh, and steve yzerman. Quote
buddha Posted March 13 Posted March 13 between 84 and 87 they had four top 11 picks. shawn burr, brent fedyk, joe murphy (at #1) and yves racine. that's a whole lotta "meh." and then they doubled down on it by dealing murphy, second round pick adam graves, and others for jimmy carson. that worked well....for adam graves. Quote
buddha Posted March 13 Posted March 13 in 1988 they had 11 draft picks and only 4th rounder sheldon kennedy made the nhl. and he was bad. but to his credit he was bad in detroit for 5 years. that's something. at least he got his pension. Quote
buddha Posted March 13 Posted March 13 89-92 makes the dynasty. 89 might be the greatest draft in nhl history: sillinger, boughner and dallas drake... and lidstrom, federov, and konstantinov. 90 gets them primeau who was dealt for shanahan, and kozlov. 91 gets osgood and 92 gets mccarty. there's your drafting well. i consider getting datsyuk in round 6 and zetterburg in round 7 to be lucky. great luck aided by good scouting, but they missed on plenty of russians and swedes in there along the way. Quote
lordstanley Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 19 minutes ago, buddha said: in 1988 they had 11 draft picks and only 4th rounder sheldon kennedy made the nhl. and he was bad. but to his credit he was bad in detroit for 5 years. that's something. at least he got his pension. Incidentally, Sheldon Kennedy is famous in Canada for going public about Graham James. Not sure that was covered much in the States. Quote
lordstanley Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 15 minutes ago, buddha said: 89-92 makes the dynasty. 89 might be the greatest draft in nhl history: sillinger, boughner and dallas drake... and lidstrom, federov, and konstantinov. And screwed out of Pavel Bure, one of the most exciting players ever. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted March 13 Posted March 13 14 hours ago, Shinzaki said: Those were some tough, tough years for hockey in Detroit...every time they started making headway they'd do something stupid ...like trading Mike Foligno or Murray Craven (for one year of a shot Daryl Sittler) or signing Rogie Vachon as a FA...a move that eventually cost them 1st round picks in 1980 and 1981 and then flipping picks with Minnesota so they could draft Brian Bellows while we got the pick that became Craven and the drugged out Don Murdoch who played a half a season in Detroit. It was a never ending nightmare that didn't start to abate until Yzerman hit town and the drafting improved Back in those days, 16 out of 21 teams made the playoffs. Missing them so many times wasn't easy to do. Our current playoff drought may be longer now but those were some really dark hockey years. Quote
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