3/7/25 6:05PM Orioles @ Tigers

[IdahoBert]

C’mon Guenther. 

[IdahoBert]

Need a triple play. 

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Leave him in.Brad Ausmus would do that to show that he had faith in his abilities. 

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[IdahoBert]

It’s Jobe vs. Scherzer tomorrow. 

[IdahoBert]

1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Did Montero get hurt? 

I don’t think so. He had a rocky first inning, but it looks like a fairly clean second inning and I think he was done. All I could do was follow at bat though.

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, SoCalTiger said:

Torks single off Bautista is better than the homers. 

Tork hit safely on a pitch middle-middle, a pitch up and away, and a pitch down and in. I don't think you would have seen that watching him early last year. ST pitching requires a big a grain of salt, but at least today he wasn't waiting for perfect pitches in the zone.

[papalawrence]

2 dingers on 3-3 night for Tork. One dinger opposite field, something he has been working on. Also, Mize, holy cow! If his command and splitter continue on that level it will be difficult to send him down. That's as strong as I have ever seen his stuff. And Montero did struggle badly first inning, but the next 2 innings he looked good, especially his change-up. He'll be back in Toledo but I see him getting a chance in the bigs soon. Maeda, Jobe, Cobb, Mize, Montero for 2 spots. Looks like Manning and likely Montero to Toledo. Good problems to have

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, papalawrence said:

...Also, Mize, holy cow! If his command and splitter continue on that level it will be difficult to send him down. That's as strong as I have ever seen his stuff. And Montero did struggle badly first inning, but the next 2 innings he looked good, especially his change-up. He'll be back in Toledo but I see him getting a chance in the bigs soon. Maeda, Jobe, Cobb, Mize, Montero for 2 spots. Looks like Manning and likely Montero to Toledo. Good problems to have

At this point a likely scenario is Maeda, Mize, Jobe all keep pitching well, in which case you have to think they just start Jobe in the minors - really nothing to lose there as long as the guy who comes north is legitimately pitching well. Jobe would then 1st call back when someone -again likely Mize or Maeda, eventually stumbles.

Edited Saturday at 05:47 AM by gehringer_2

[papalawrence]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

At this point a likely scenario is Maeda, Mize, Jobe all keep pitching well, in which case you have to think they just start Jobe in the minors - really nothing to lose there as long as the guy who comes north is legitimately pitching well. Jobe would then 1st call back when someone -again likely Mize or Maeda, eventually stumbles.

Yeah, that sounds like what will play out

[4hzglory]

7 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

At this point a likely scenario is Maeda, Mize, Jobe all keep pitching well, in which case you have to think they just start Jobe in the minors - really nothing to lose there as long as the guy who comes north is legitimately pitching well. Jobe would then 1st call back when someone -again likely Mize or Maeda, eventually stumbles.

There is something to lose and that is potential draft picks.  If Jobe is ready, I think either they go with a 6 man rotation (with Skubal staying on 5 days)or Jobe starts in relief/piggy back starts to limit his innings.

The Pirates lost 1 draft pick already and may lose a 2nd by starting Skenes in the minors and he still got a full year service by being top 3 in ROY.  I don’t see the Tigers doing that with Jobe the way he’s been pitching.

[IdahoBert]

I was thinking of the six man rotation too, except for our Cy Young winner. 

[4hzglory]

13 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

I was thinking of the six man rotation too, except for our Cy Young winner. 

Under the current system, really is no benefit to starting a player who is ready and has ROY potential in the minors.  They have less to lose organizationally by starting Mize who has an option and doesn’t qualify for the potential compensation in Toledo than they do Jobe.  If Jobe struggles, they can send him down and are in the same position as they would be starting in the minors. 

[4hzglory]

I honestly think it was a factor in Tork being on the opening day roster as a rookie as well and-he just should have been sent down when he was struggling.

[gehringer_2]

39 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

There is something to lose and that is potential draft picks.  If Jobe is ready, I think either they go with a 6 man rotation (with Skubal staying on 5 days)or Jobe starts in relief/piggy back starts to limit his innings.

The Pirates lost 1 draft pick already and may lose a 2nd by starting Skenes in the minors and he still got a full year service by being top 3 in ROY.  I don’t see the Tigers doing that with Jobe the way he’s been pitching.

I just see Jobe winning ROY. I think he is going to continue to have on and off command days for a awhile, but time will tell.

[4hzglory]

He doesn’t have to win.  He could be top 2 or less likely top 3 (I believe) cy young next year.

And it doesn’t really matter if a team thinks there’s great odds, if someone is a top candidate-which Jobe is across the industry- you don’t forgo that chance when you have other options.  Especially when you still lose the year of control if he does end up top 3.

 

On the other side, it’s also why there is almost zero chance of a top 20 -50 prospect coming up in July/August of any season and losing their eligibility for the next season.

[gehringer_2]

7 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

He doesn’t have to win.  He could be top 2 or less likely top 3 (I believe) cy young next year.

And it doesn’t really matter if a team thinks there’s great odds, if someone is a top candidate-which Jobe is across the industry- you don’t forgo that chance when you have other options.  Especially when you still lose the year of control if he does end up top 3.

 

On the other side, it’s also why there is almost zero chance of a top 20 -50 prospect coming up in July/August of any season and losing their eligibility for the next season.

true - although another issue with Jobe compared to Skenes is that Jobe is probably on an innings limit - he still hasn't pitched even a 100 innings in a season. If you want him to be able to pitch in the fall you might have to skip starts and give him short outings early in the season, which is easier to manage in an MiLB setting. It's early though - it may sort itself out before opening day. With pitchers odds are someone is injured before then. 🫤

Edited Saturday at 01:43 PM by gehringer_2

[mtutiger]

8 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

At this point a likely scenario is Maeda, Mize, Jobe all keep pitching well, in which case you have to think they just start Jobe in the minors - really nothing to lose there as long as the guy who comes north is legitimately pitching well. Jobe would then 1st call back when someone -again likely Mize or Maeda, eventually stumbles.

I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion about trading Maeda... Not that he would bring back a lot, but someone would take him if he's pitching like has this far in ST

Edited Saturday at 01:46 PM by mtutiger

[4hzglory]

17 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

true - although another issue with Jobe compared to Skenes is that Jobe is probably on an innings limit - he still hasn't pitched even a 100 innings in a season. If you want him to be able to pitch in the fall you might have to skip starts and give him short outings early in the season, which is easier to manage in an MiLB setting. It's early though - it may sort itself out before opening day. With pitchers odds are someone is injured before then. 🫤

Agree except for the easier to manage inning limits in MILB.

 

i think that’s all the more reason to start in Detroit and piggy back him with Maeda for example.  This coaching staff has shown the ability to be creative and can use it to their advantage like pitching chaos was last year.  Keep Jove to 4-6 innings per week through mid-May then he can go into the normal rotation and be ok innings wise the rest of the season.  Also gets him more familiar with facing MLB hitters.

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, 4hzglory said:

piggy back him with Maeda for example.

that would be interesting to see.