2025 Detroit Tigers General Discussion Thread

[oblong]

 

The Sam Menzin story is now out there.  There was something after all.  What a turd.

But also not a good look on what the woman quoted saying as far as the org not being  a place women felt comfortable reporting these things.

[Tiger337]

3 minutes ago, oblong said:

 

The Sam Menzin story is now out there.  There was something after all.

"frat boy dinosaur"

[Tigermojo]

7 minutes ago, oblong said:

 

The Sam Menzin story is now out there.  There was something after all.  What a turd.

But also not a good look on what the woman quoted saying as far as the org not being  a place women felt comfortable reporting these things.

Need a barf emoji.🤮

Found it.

[oblong]

I've been in the lobby of the Tiger offices a few times.  You go thru security (everybody goes thru, I watched players from the Padres, Max Clark and family the day he signed, TV people, etc. have to put all their crap in the thing like at the airport.  So I stand there and watch this while waiting for someone and there's a set of stairs that takes you up to the offices.  let's just say that anybody wearing a skirt that goes up or down those stairs or stands on the platform above is taking a risk of showing everybody their business.  Not a design a woman would have done.

I wasn't doing anything important.... I had a ticket situation to resolve because of a snafu on their end and only the ticket rep could resolve it so I was waiting on him.

[Edman85]

I did notice the female analytics staffer left the team at some point last year, which now makes me go hmmmm.

[chasfh]

5 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Arbitrary end points!   But still a positive.  

I don’t think it’s necessarily arbitrary to note that McKinstry has been killing it utility guy-style during the last three months of ball that counts.

[Tiger337]

Just now, chasfh said:

I don’t think it’s necessarily arbitrary to note that McKinstry has been killing it utility guy-style during the last three months of ball that counts.

It's noteworthy as long as you don't conclude that he has reached a new performance level.  

[monkeytargets39]

No sympathy for that guy.  Go be awful somewhere else.

[Sports_Freak]

2 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

"frat boy dinosaur"

Paywall.

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, oblong said:

 

The Sam Menzin story is now out there.  There was something after all.  What a turd.

But also not a good look on what the woman quoted saying as far as the org not being  a place women felt comfortable reporting these things.

I really, really hope the new front office leadership was not knowingly covering this up, or otherwise enabling him until it became clear they were going to be implicated in whatever his business was and then forced him out before it rolled over on them. I think they have to prove their hands are clean of it somehow. I don’t know how that would work.

As for women not feeling comfortable reporting this, I would think that would be true of practically any organization that’s 80%, 90%, whatever, male, irrespective of the actual atmosphere they foster. Even in the best of situations, whatever that would look like, just the sheer outnumbering would be enough for a woman to bite her tongue for fear of not knowing how badly they would be upsetting the apple cart and torpedoing their career, because you get one shot at it and you best not miss. Flip side, in a truly progressive organization, it would be clear as crystal that behavior is intolerable and all doors are open to legitimate complaints.

[chasfh]

10 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

It's noteworthy as long as you don't conclude that he has reached a new performance level.  

Agree, and I don’t think they did.

[Tiger337]

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Agree, and I don’t think they did.

I didn't say they did.  

[Edman85]

16 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I don’t think it’s necessarily arbitrary to note that McKinstry has been killing it utility guy-style during the last three months of ball that counts.

I'm the biggest McKinstry-stan here, but it is when the last four months weakens the case.

[Edman85]

11 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Paywall.

Want us to just Torkmoil things and lift them as our own?

[Sports_Freak]

4 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Want us to just Torkmoil things and lift them as our own?

I was just pointing out it's not readable. But I don't know that term. Does it mean stealing?

[Sports_Freak]

2 hours ago, oblong said:

 

The Sam Menzin story is now out there.  There was something after all.  What a turd.

But also not a good look on what the woman quoted saying as far as the org not being  a place women felt comfortable reporting these things.

I just saw the story on WXYZ. Yeah, the guy sounds like a jerk. I just don't understand how some guys do this crap....very stupid.

[chasfh]

9 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I didn't say they did.  

My mistake. You didn’t say “they”. You said “you”. And I wasn’t saying he has reached a new performance level, either.

[chasfh]

12 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

I'm the biggest McKinstry-stan here, but it is when the last four months weakens the case.

Not sure I’m fully understanding—do you mean he sucked in July so if you say last four months instead of the last three, the case for McKinstry has been killing it lately falls apart?

[romad1]

39 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I really, really hope the new front office leadership was not knowingly covering this up, or otherwise enabling him until it became clear they were going to be implicated in whatever his business was and then forced him out before it rolled over on them. I think they have to prove their hands are clean of it somehow. I don’t know how that would work.

As for women not feeling comfortable reporting this, I would think that would be true of practically any organization that’s 80%, 90%, whatever, male, irrespective of the actual atmosphere they foster. Even in the best of situations, whatever that would look like, just the sheer outnumbering would be enough for a woman to bite her tongue for fear of not knowing how badly they would be upsetting the apple cart and torpedoing their career, because you get one shot at it and you best not miss. Flip side, in a truly progressive organization, it would be clear as crystal that behavior is intolerable and all doors are open to legitimate complaints.

This just makes the likelihood of a live tiger vs. showgirl combat pit behind home plate that much less likely.

[Sports_Freak]

56 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I really, really hope the new front office leadership was not knowingly covering this up, or otherwise enabling him until it became clear they were going to be implicated in whatever his business was and then forced him out before it rolled over on them. I think they have to prove their hands are clean of it somehow. I don’t know how that would work.

As for women not feeling comfortable reporting this, I would think that would be true of practically any organization that’s 80%, 90%, whatever, male, irrespective of the actual atmosphere they foster. Even in the best of situations, whatever that would look like, just the sheer outnumbering would be enough for a woman to bite her tongue for fear of not knowing how badly they would be upsetting the apple cart and torpedoing their career, because you get one shot at it and you best not miss. Flip side, in a truly progressive organization, it would be clear as crystal that behavior is intolerable and all doors are open to legitimate complaints.

On the news, they said it was other major league officials too. Not just Tiger employees. The guy deserves what's coming to him.

[Edman85]

I'm not going to defend these actions, but I can see how the culture in baseball front offices can lead to an environment where this is possible. Men in their 20's and 30's working 80-100 hours per week and unable to go out and socialize are probably going to creep on the only women they come across.

Again, not an excuse, but if you wanted to "five why" this, the workplace culture is probably a root cause of why this happens so often.

[gehringer_2]

From opening day to July 31, McKinstry's OPS was 528. From Aug 1 to Aug 31, it was 955, from Sept 1 through the end of the season, 499. Then 1700 for 6 playoff games. 

Go figure.

[Tiger337]

8 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

I'm not going to defend these actions, but I can see how the culture in baseball front offices can lead to an environment where this is possible. Men in their 20's and 30's working 80-100 hours per week and unable to go out and socialize are probably going to creep on the only women they come across.

Again, not an excuse, but if you wanted to "five why" this, the workplace culture is probably a root cause of why this happens so often.

I don't think it's the age or the hours worked.  This **** happens all over and older men are often the offenders.    

[monkeytargets39]

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

I'm not going to defend these actions, but I can see how the culture in baseball front offices can lead to an environment where this is possible. Men in their 20's and 30's working 80-100 hours per week and unable to go out and socialize are probably going to creep on the only women they come across.

Again, not an excuse, but if you wanted to "five why" this, the workplace culture is probably a root cause of why this happens so often.

It’s probably more that he’s been a creep since he hit puberty and has just always had the status to get away with it or hadn’t taken it to this level until now.

Edited April 8 by monkeytargets39

[Edman85]

7 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

It’s probably more that he’s been a creep since he hit puberty and has just always had the status to get away with it or hadn’t taken it to this level until now.

You are probably right.

I should frame it that the workplace culture may make creeps more likely to strike, but can't really think of a great way to phrase it.