2025 Detroit Tigers General Discussion Thread

[monkeytargets39]

15 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

You are probably right.

I should frame it that the workplace culture may make creeps more likely to strike, but can't really think of a great way to phrase it.

I get what you mean.  With his career it probably funnels his victims down to just the group of women he is in a professional environment with as opposed to a broader spectrum

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

From opening day to July 31, McKinstry's OPS was 528. From Aug 1 to Aug 31, it was 955, from Sept 1 through the end of the season, 499. Then 1700 for 6 playoff games. 

Go figure.

So, good for stretches and bad for stretches. Pretty much every major leaguer except Hall of Fame-track guys.

I think when you add it all up, he’s been really pretty solid for a utility guy of whom we would reasonably expect much less.

[Tigermojo]

Predators are terrible but it is appreciated when they take incriminating photographic evidence.

[gehringer_2]

Foley should be back soon. In 4 appearances with the Hens, 0R 1H 6K 0BB

[IdahoBert]

The weather in Minneapolis is going to be almost balmy this weekend compared to Detroit. 

[papalawrence]

1 hour ago, IdahoBert said:

The weather in Minneapolis is going to be almost balmy this weekend compared to Detroit. 

Yes, mid 50s to mid 60s. I live 3 miles from Target field and am going to try to make a game or two

[1984Echoes]

10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Foley should be back soon. In 4 appearances with the Hens, 0R 1H 6K 0BB

Time to jettison Maeda?

[Sports_Freak]

This Detroit staff has people talking;

 

[Tenacious D]

 

[RandyMarsh]

Lol at the Twins only being 1 up on the White Sox.

[papalawrence]

Det has been winning back to the end of 2023, when they went 29-21 to close out that season. 122-102 in their last 224 games, a .545 clip. I'm confident they will make the playoffs again this year, barring major injuries of course.

[Sports_Freak]

Having fun with early season comparisons;

 

[RandyMarsh]

Bobby Witt should consider himself lucky to featured on the same graphic as McKinstry. 

[kdog]

Brewer Hicklen was optioned to Toledo...which likely means Gleyber is coming off the IL tomorrow.

[IdahoBert]

2 hours ago, kdog said:

Brewer Hicklen was optioned to Toledo...which likely means Gleyber is coming off the IL tomorrow.

Wow. 

[IdahoBert]

I made the mistake of getting on one of the many Tigers related Facebook groups today and it makes me even more grateful for this forum given the low level of what passes for “discussion“ often times among the unwashed masses. And the problem is not so much the articles posted but the comment section.

For a lot of people the solution to this team is the guillotine for everyone. There’s actually people who hate Verlander because they think he left the Tigers to sign a bigger contract elsewhere and they don’t know that he was traded. And people make these comments with a confident triumphalism that’s bewildering and almost makes me feel unclean.

This place is Plato’s Academy compared to Facebook. It’s nice to be able to rub shoulders with all of you, or at least most of you. 😉

[romad1]

24 out of 30 seems wrong to me.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/11/cnbcs-official-mlb-team-valuations-2025.html

We have significant headwinds apparently.  Our multi-generational fanbase isn't reflexively buying enough merch and our media relationships are still tied to Joey Breakyaboni and the casino element. 

I guess the other problem is that the revenue flywheel provided by luxury boxes won't be strong.  These are not going to sell if the local industry is in depression. 

 

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, romad1 said:

24 out of 30 seems wrong to me.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/11/cnbcs-official-mlb-team-valuations-2025.html

We have significant headwinds apparently.  Our multi-generational fanbase isn't reflexively buying enough merch and our media relationships are still tied to Joey Breakyaboni and the casino element. 

I guess the other problem is that the revenue flywheel provided by luxury boxes won't be strong.  These are not going to sell if the local industry is in depression. 

 

I would have never presumed we were an elite franchise in valuation, but less than the Colorado Rockies and the Milwaukee Brewers? lol

Here is the methodology that say they use to arrive at this:

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/11/methodology-cnbcs-official-mlb-team-valuations-2025.html

Which looks very deep and detailed, until they get to the very last sentence:

Sources for CNBC’s Official MLB Team Valuations 2025 include team owners, investors and executives; sports bankers and league consultants; public documents such as ballpark lease agreements, ballpark authority budgets and audits, and credit rating reports; and sponsorship and broadcasting industry executives. Figures that could not be independently verified are CNBC estimates. 

Since 28 of 30 teams are privately-held without publicly information available about their actual business, this could range anywhere from a few straggling factoids to the vast majority of their data.

That said, is it possible that the Tigers could be merely the 24th of the 30 teams based on some of the other publicly held such as credit rating reports and the estimations of “league consultants”? Sure, I guess. 

 

[romad1]

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I would have never presumed we were an elite franchise in valuation, but less than the Colorado Rockies and the Milwaukee Brewers? lol

Here is the methodology that say they use to arrive at this:

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/11/methodology-cnbcs-official-mlb-team-valuations-2025.html

Which looks very deep and detailed, until they get to the very last sentence:

Sources for CNBC’s Official MLB Team Valuations 2025 include team owners, investors and executives; sports bankers and league consultants; public documents such as ballpark lease agreements, ballpark authority budgets and audits, and credit rating reports; and sponsorship and broadcasting industry executives. Figures that could not be independently verified are CNBC estimates. 

Since 28 of 30 teams are privately-held without publicly information available about their actual business, this could range anywhere from a few straggling factoids to the vast majority of their data.

That said, is it possible that the Tigers could be merely the 24th of the 30 teams based on some of the other publicly held such as credit rating reports and the estimations of “league consultants”? Sure, I guess. 

 

Also, they undervalue the sweet ca$h from all that surface parking. 

[romad1]

These jabronis at Forbes say #22

Forbes Most Valuable MLB Teams 2025 List — What All 30 Clubs Are Worth

[oblong]

10 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

I made the mistake of getting on one of the many Tigers related Facebook groups today and it makes me even more grateful for this forum given the low level of what passes for “discussion“ often times among the unwashed masses. And the problem is not so much the articles posted but the comment section.

For a lot of people the solution to this team is the guillotine for everyone. There’s actually people who hate Verlander because they think he left the Tigers to sign a bigger contract elsewhere and they don’t know that he was traded. And people make these comments with a confident triumphalism that’s bewildering and almost makes me feel unclean.

This place is Plato’s Academy compared to Facebook. It’s nice to be able to rub shoulders with all of you, or at least most of you. 😉

Yeah some of those are bad.  They thought the Tigers fired Gibson from the broadcast booth.  Most of them talk about RBI as the most important stat in baseball and hate "the mexicans".  I mean.... it's facebook.  

 

[romad1]

12 minutes ago, oblong said:

Yeah some of those are bad.  They thought the Tigers fired Gibson from the broadcast booth.  Most of them talk about RBI as the most important stat in baseball and hate "the mexicans".  I mean.... it's facebook.  

 

Facebook is infected with low-information people and their influencers. 

Weird now that my brother has access to youtube to watch the clickbait Lions stuff.  There is so much low-quality content because the Lions are good and he has no ability to filter it.  I wish i could steer him to the better feeds.  

So, a phone call with him will be like "Hey did the lions sign a pass rush specialist yet?" and I'm like "1. I don't know I was at work all day and 2. they can't afford another expensive pass rush guy because that isn't how they manage the salary cap."   I learned the latter after listening to a bunch of Pride of Detroit pods where they would stress that you can't afford two Aiden Hutchinson's on the DL unless its for a limited time given the cap realities.   He's just going off Valenti and these clickbaiters. 

Same thing with the Tigers.  He was all over Alex Bregman because that was the thing of the offseason.  They probably should have landed him but not having him won't necessarily kill the season as some say.  

[Edman85]

One more rumination on the Menzin thing. I stand by some of my suspicions before we got the reason that he was somewhat being cast aside. Sartori's current role seems very similar to the one he held for a while; had been cast aside to special projects.

I have long suspected that people who start engaging in inappropriate workplace behavior also have their judgment clouded in other areas and performance declines. I bet some of that was going on before this bubbled up to the surface.

[romad1]

16 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

One more rumination on the Menzin thing. I stand by some of my suspicions before we got the reason that he was somewhat being cast aside. Sartori's current role seems very similar to the one he held for a while; had been cast aside to special projects.

I have long suspected that people who start engaging in inappropriate workplace behavior also have their judgment clouded in other areas and performance declines. I bet some of that was going on before this bubbled up to the surface.

This is an interesting observation.  

[chasfh]

On 4/11/2025 at 8:59 AM, romad1 said:

Same thing with the Tigers.  He was all over Alex Bregman because that was the thing of the offseason.  They probably should have landed him but not having him won't necessarily kill the season as some say.  

Right, well, never mind that Bregman was never coming here anyway. The thing does make a handy cudgel to hammer the front office with.