4/26/25 DH 1:10 & 6:10 Orioles @ Tigers

[monkeytargets39]

7 hours ago, chasfh said:

Of the Pipeline top 100 guys we have in the minors right now—Max Clark, Kevin McGonigle, Josue Briceno, Thayron Liranzo, and Bryce Rainer—which of these would you be willing to give up this July in exchange for an established major leaguer who gives us a much better chance of going deep into October or even November this year?

Depends on what we are getting in return.  Overall I’d say Rainer—furthest away and the most unknown trajectory as of now

[Arlington]

On 4/25/2025 at 6:54 PM, monkeytargets39 said:

That I couldn’t tell you.  Maybe just trying to keep Mize on a consistent rest quantity as much as possible?

I want to know who we drop from the 26 man roster to accommodate the acquisition assuming Maeda is already gone?  Also, I think pitching is the only avenue to strengthen a playoff bound team in a meaningful way and if the Tigers pitching holds up as it has there will be no need.  That said, Liranzo or Briceno would be my picks.

[Tiger337]

8 hours ago, chasfh said:

Of the Pipeline top 100 guys we have in the minors right now—Max Clark, Kevin McGonigle, Josue Briceno, Thayron Liranzo, and Bryce Rainer—which of these would you be willing to give up this July in exchange for an established major leaguer who gives us a much better chance of going deep into October or even November this year?

None of them for a rental.  I wouldn't trade top 100 prospects unless they were getting someone who could help beyond this year.  

[monkeytargets39]

14 minutes ago, Arlington said:

I want to know who we drop from the 26 man roster to accommodate the acquisition assuming Maeda is already gone?  Also, I think pitching is the only avenue to strengthen a playoff bound team in a meaningful way and if the Tigers pitching holds up as it has there will be no need.  That said, Liranzo or Briceno would be my picks.

Maeda isn’t gonna get dropped off the team until Cobb is back at the earliest, if at all.  Otherwise he wouldn’t have even made the team otherwise.  
 

Cobb coming back could move into that long relief role.  So could Montero.  Then there’s whatever the timetable is for Brieske and Brebbia to return.  
 

If Guenther and Lee continue to pitch well, these guys becoming healthy will eventually force their hand on Maeda.

 

 

if we added a bat at a deadline trade, who would go down off the roster would probably depend.  Is Meadows back and healthy?  Is Keith improving at all?  Is Malloy hitting?  Who already went down for Vierlings return?

Edited yesterday at 02:18 AM by monkeytargets39

[Sports_Freak]

13 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Maeda isn’t gonna get dropped off the team until Cobb is back at the earliest, if at all.  Otherwise he wouldn’t have even made the team otherwise.  
 

Cobb coming back could move into that long relief role.  So could Montero.  Then there’s whatever the timetable is for Brieske and Brebbia to return.  
 

If Guenther and Lee continue to pitch well, these guys becoming healthy will eventually force their hand on Maeda.

 

 

if we added a bat at a deadline trade, who would go down off the roster would probably depend.  Is Meadows back and healthy?  Is Keith improving at all?  Is Malloy hitting?  Who already went down for Vierlings return?

I think the Tigers want Montero to stay stretched out in Toledo. They need him to be a SP. Malloy will prolly go down when Vierling comes back. And Jung will probably go down when Meadows returns so Javy can play 3rd base. And limiting Jobe's innings this year means Cobb will get 15 starts or so.

[gehringer_2]

56 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

I think the Tigers want Montero to stay stretched out in Toledo. They need him to be a SP. Malloy will prolly go down when Vierling comes back. And Jung will probably go down when Meadows returns so Javy can play 3rd base. And limiting Jobe's innings this year means Cobb will get 15 starts or so.

Malloy is a unicorn - can't hit a lick but walks his way to 390 OBP. You'd think that would eventually come to an end with pitchers refusing to walk him - but it hasn't happened yet. As it stands, as long as they keep walking him, he's pretty valuable.

Keith is getting to be the questionable one at this point. He's at 66 AB compared to Riley's 107  - IOW he's down to playing half time - and actually less than that more recently. It's one thing if they were committed to letting him play through his problems,    but you can't have him sitting - he's got to play. If not here then in the other place.

Edited yesterday at 03:32 AM by gehringer_2

[Sports_Freak]

10 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Malloy is a unicorn - can't hit a lick but walks his way to 390 OBP. You'd think that would eventually come to an end with pitchers refusing to walk him - but it hasn't happened yet. As it stands, as long as they keep walking him, he's pretty valuable.

Keith is getting to be the questionable one at this point. He's at 66 AB compared to Riley's 107  - IOW he's down to playing half time - and actually less than that more recently. It's one thing if they were committed to letting him play through his problems,    but you can't have him sitting - he's got to play. If not here then in the other place.

Tork took Keith's position after the Tigers handed it to Keith. 😅            Keep it up, Spencer!

[RandyMarsh]

In regards to our prospects and trading them I'd be open to trading any of them for the right player as I feel none are at the untouchable level. 

If I had to say who I'd be willing to move first, Rainer would be the obvious answer due to how far away he probably is but to me I also feel he may have the highest upside of anybody so I'd be more inclined to keep him.

With that said it would probably be McGonigle at this point, on the flip side of Rainer he may have the highest floor of the big prospects but I think his ceiling is limited(compared to the others) cause of his power.  

 

Edited 21 hours ago by RandyMarsh

[chasfh]

11 hours ago, SoCalTiger said:

Hard to answer not knowing the return but none of them which doesn't answer your question. So to be fair maybe Liranzo or Rainer if the return is very solid with multiple years of control. Certainly not for a half season bat or reliever even with years say 1 plus year of control. 

I would prefer to trade from our pitching depth since we seem to develop it so say Montero, Jaden Hamm, Melton, Owen Hall. I think they would bring back a good enough return while maintaining our core minor league talent/depth. 

 

11 hours ago, SoCalTiger said:

I will add Colt Keith to that list.

And now you know how the Orioles front office felt last year.

[4hzglory]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

 

And now you know how the Orioles front office felt last year.

There is a big difference between a Cy Young starting pitcher (when your rotation is what there's was) who is under control for 2 1/2 seasons and a rental.  If we could get an all star calibar 3b under control for 2 1/2 seasons (Say Bregman without the opt out next season) I would likely include any one of our top 100 in a package.  But would not include any in a rental.  I would consider Mcgonigle or Rainer or Briceno in a deal for one of the top 2-3 closers who is under control for at least 2 seasons.  But again, none for a rental.

[Tenacious D]

I probably would consider Clark, Liranzo, McGonigle and Rainer as our untouchables.  Definitely would not move any of them for relief help.

The reality is that as much as some might not like our lineup, we really don’t have any sizable holes.  I’d love to get a generational hitter, like a Soto, but would be hard to get a team to trade one in their prime, similar to what the Marlins did with Miggy.

Hopefully one makes it to free agency and we get consideration.  

[chasfh]

54 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

There is a big difference between a Cy Young starting pitcher (when your rotation is what there's was) who is under control for 2 1/2 seasons and a rental.  If we could get an all star calibar 3b under control for 2 1/2 seasons (Say Bregman without the opt out next season) I would likely include any one of our top 100 in a package.  But would not include any in a rental.  I would consider Mcgonigle or Rainer or Briceno in a deal for one of the top 2-3 closers who is under control for at least 2 seasons.  But again, none for a rental.

I agree with you on this, and to be clear, the question I posed wasn't about getting a rental only. It was, which of the five Top 100s in our minors would we give up for an established major leaguer who gives us a much better chance of winning this year? And the Orioles front office decided, none of them. And look what they got then, and where they are now. It's all about the willingness to give up two birds in the bush in exchange for one bird in the hand.

I'm with with you on wanting to get an All-Star caliber third baseman, but it looks like we might have one already, at least at the moment. Maybe all we have to do is get a solid outfielder back, like Vierling, or a healthier Carpenter—or what the hell, let's take a big swing and say Parker—and then we can long term MVPKinstry at third , at least for the year?

[monkeytargets39]

11 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Malloy is a unicorn - can't hit a lick but walks his way to 390 OBP. You'd think that would eventually come to an end with pitchers refusing to walk him - but it hasn't happened yet. As it stands, as long as they keep walking him, he's pretty valuable.

Keith is getting to be the questionable one at this point. He's at 66 AB compared to Riley's 107  - IOW he's down to playing half time - and actually less than that more recently. It's one thing if they were committed to letting him play through his problems,    but you can't have him sitting - he's got to play. If not here then in the other place.

I think Keith goes down when Vierling gets activated unless he just goes on a tear in the next week or two.  

We need the OF depth so keeping Malloy makes a little more sense—plus the RH bat is useful.  Then we can start using McKinstry as the true utility guy instead of in RF where he has been a lot lately and we can get Javy back at SS/3B (even though he’s been pretty darn good in CF).  As of now, it’s hard to get Riley a day off without sacrificing really good defense.

[monkeytargets39]

7 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I agree with you on this, and to be clear, the question I posed wasn't about getting a rental only. It was, which of the five Top 100s in our minors would we give up for an established major leaguer who gives us a much better chance of winning this year? And the Orioles front office decided, none of them. And look what they got then, and where they are now. It's all about the willingness to give up two birds in the bush in exchange for one bird in the hand.

I'm with with you on wanting to get an All-Star caliber third baseman, but it looks like we might have one already, at least at the moment. Maybe all we have to do is get a solid outfielder back, like Vierling, or a healthier Carpenter—or what the hell, let's take a big swing and say Parker—and then we can long term MVPKinstry at third , at least for the year?

Keith going down and McKinstry playing 3B with Ibanez as the backup 1B/2B/3B and an outfield rotation of Green, Vierling and Carp/Malloy/Javy seems like the best option once we get to that roster crunch.

Margot can just be released or DFAd once he’s back.  

[1984Echoes]

52 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

I probably would consider Clark, Liranzo, McGonigle and Rainer as our untouchables. Definitely would not move any of them for relief help...

This.

For relief help I'd look at 2nd tier like Max Anderson and some of our pitchers. Maybe Briceno?

 

52 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

..  I’d love to get a generational hitter, like a Soto, but would be hard to get a team to trade one in their prime, similar to what the Marlins did with Miggy...

This would change the equation for certain. The first thing I would look at is what position are we talking about? IE: If it's Toronto seeking a package for Guerrero Jr.... shouldn't we start with Tork? If it's a star OF'er, do we start with Greene or Carpenter? I mean, if the Mets decided to trade Soto... shouldn't all options be considered?

[SoCalTiger]

8 hours ago, chasfh said:

 

And now you know how the Orioles front office felt last year.

Very different. They had more key studs in place in key positions as well. Foundation pieces. We don’t have any.