gehringer_2 Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said: This list is missing Colt Keith. Bad list. They knew he'd already made the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Cruzer1 said: This list is missing Colt Keith. Bad list. Where would you have him? What if they had him at 101? Is there much difference between the two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microline133 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 I'm not even convinced Jobe should be on there right now. It's not unreasonable to say the Tigers have no Top 100-worthy players in their system as of right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, microline133 said: I'm not even convinced Jobe should be on there right now. It's not unreasonable to say the Tigers have no Top 100-worthy players in their system as of right now. With all due respects to Emily, you should be making the Tigers list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said: With all due respects to Emily, you should be making the Tigers list. None is due to her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 I was thinking of subscribing a couple of years ago until I saw Emily was the lead Tigers writer. I have nothing against her personally, but I haven't seen any evidence that she has any expertise in scouting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 32 minutes ago, microline133 said: I'm not even convinced Jobe should be on there right now. It's not unreasonable to say the Tigers have no Top 100-worthy players in their system as of right now. thank goodness we tanked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 i dont think much of prospect lists anymore. i enjoy reading about prospects (which is certainly why they make the lists), but after years of seeing guys on such lists be total busts, im not convinced they mean anything. i remember chris illitch crowing about all our prospects because they were on some lists. what did that get us? nothing. im looking forward to the new crew and hope they can develop talent better than the old crew. that's all we can hope for now. lists schmists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) I think that I have subscribed to BA for 20 seasons, or so. Highlight was in 2003 when In the chat, me, Eddie and Brian all asked Pat Caputo why Cody Ross wasn't in the top 10. I think Cody was 21 years old and playing well in Toledo at the time. Edited January 18, 2023 by Cruzer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Caputo got mad that everybody was just asking about Cody Ross, said he was a 4A player. Oh, the good times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microline133 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 27 minutes ago, buddha said: i dont think much of prospect lists anymore. i enjoy reading about prospects (which is certainly why they make the lists), but after years of seeing guys on such lists be total busts, im not convinced they mean anything. This is fair. Personally, I think lists have a place if done properly. It really boils down to the construction of the list and what the author actually tries to accomplish. If the goal of the list is to educate, give an honest assessment of strengths, weaknesses, potential, etc., then that can have value and the list is really just the convenient vehicle for communicating the information about the players. If the goal of the list is to garner clicks, garner favor with people by saying nice things about players, and gain access by furthering org information, then the list has absolutely zero value. In this regard, I think the current state of Tigers prospect analysis/writing has regressed substantially the last 3-4 years. There's no education or honesty in the analysis and writing, it's just click bait, puff pieces, and overly positive evaluations because people aren't willing to be honest because they are afraid someone will get mad at them. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 The lists are fun, but I think it would be sufficient to just have tiers. I want to know which Tigers prospects have a chance to be stars, which have a chance to be starters, which have a chance to make the majors. Those might not be the exact tiers, but something like that. I don't need to see a rank attached to their name. I just want to know which ones to follow most closely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Tiger337 said: The lists are fun, but I think it would be sufficient to just have tiers. I want to know which Tigers prospects have a chance to be stars, which have a chance to be starters, which have a chance to make the majors. Those might not be the exact tiers, but something like that. I don't need to see a rank attached to their name. I just want to know which ones to follow most closely. I enjoy the individual player write-ups. I don’t give a shit about their rankings, whether within the organization or compared to other teams prospects. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: The lists are fun, but I think it would be sufficient to just have tiers. I want to know which Tigers prospects have a chance to be stars, which have a chance to be starters, which have a chance to make the majors. Those might not be the exact tiers, but something like that. I don't need to see a rank attached to their name. I just want to know which ones to follow most closely. yeah, but then the list will say how beau burrows and alex faedo and joey wentz are all in the star tier! rather than the "middle relief if were lucky" tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, buddha said: yeah, but then the list will say how beau burrows and alex faedo and joey wentz are all in the star tier! rather than the "middle relief if were lucky" tier. yeah, I know. It depends on who is making the tiers. 84Lives!!! is not making the tiers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: The lists are fun, but I think it would be sufficient to just have tiers. I want to know which Tigers prospects have a chance to be stars, which have a chance to be starters, which have a chance to make the majors. Those might not be the exact tiers, but something like that. I don't need to see a rank attached to their name. I just want to know which ones to follow most closely. Lists are just incredibly subjective and not immune to being biased based on sources and methods used in compilation. I don't know enough about each specific list to know who is more reliable than who has a better track record, but none of them bat .1000... Otherwise Jeter Downs wouldn't have been DFA fodder this offseason, for instance Edited January 18, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: yeah, I know. It depends on who is making the tiers. 84Lives!!! is not making the tiers! i love 84lives' lists! the hardest choice on those lists is whether casey mize or tarik skubal is going to win more cy young awards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 As far as Colt Keith is concerned, as encouraging as he has been, fans should have a bit more humility and be open to all range of outcomes, including ones that aren't as positive as expected. And that the lack of him making a Top 100 list doesn't automatically make a list not have merit. I would say the same in the other direction as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 If we're making tiers, do we need an ML Tigers tier and an ML Braves tier? Reyes, Castro and Castro don't even make the Braves legal team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Tigermojo said: If we're making tiers, do we need an ML Tigers tier and an ML Braves tier? Reyes, Castro and Castro don't even make the Braves legal team. The law firm of Castro, Castro and Reyes going 3/3 on landing minor league deals remains the least surprising development of the offseason. Low key one of the bigger indictments of Avila that each got as many chances as they did Edited January 18, 2023 by mtutiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 19 minutes ago, buddha said: i love 84lives' lists! the hardest choice on those lists is whether casey mize or tarik skubal is going to win more cy young awards. We'll just have to see about that... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) One last thought on the list discussion: the problem with the Tigers isn't representation on lists... only having one guy on one of the lists doesn't make a system inherently bad. What makes them bad is that the Tigers have produced precious few major leaguers among players who aren't list material. Particularly on the position player side. The same cannot be said of the Cleveland Guardians, St. Louis Cardinals, among a lot of orgs, who manage to find productive everyday ballplayers from prospects who aren't "Top 100" material. That's a big piece that I hope changes under this new regime. They cant have a feast or famine minor leagues composed of high draft picks and literally nothing else and expect to be successful. Edited January 18, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: The law firm of Castro, Castro and Reyes going 3/3 on landing minor league deals remains the least surprising development of the offseason. Low key one of the bigger indictments of Avila that each got as many chances as they did I wish those scamps could have been adopted together. At least they can FaceTime each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 14 hours ago, Tenacious D said: I wish those scamps could have been adopted together. At least they can FaceTime each other. If only they could'of landed on an independent team like the Long Island Ducks or something. That could'of been a docuseries right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 On 1/18/2023 at 6:19 PM, mtutiger said: As far as Colt Keith is concerned, as encouraging as he has been, fans should have a bit more humility and be open to all range of outcomes, including ones that aren't as positive as expected. And that the lack of him making a Top 100 list doesn't automatically make a list not have merit. I would say the same in the other direction as well... I think the reason for his demotion from the list is because his defense at third is kind of meh. But he does have a big arm, and I think the Tigers should be moving him out to RF asap to take advantage of his arm. I think his offense is ready to blow up, especially if he starts the year in the band box known as Erie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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