Edman85 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 So much of Rogers' value is wrapped up in his framing. It takes a huge hit if there is any semblance of robo-zone next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 11 Author Share Posted July 11 Clark and McGonigle combine to be on base 8 times and steal 3 bags in a Lakeland romp. McGonigle 898 OPS, Clark 799 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TigerNation Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Hopefully they promote him and McGonigle after the draft. Want to get out to see them for the Whitecaps this year. What's the word with Briceno, is he gonna be coming back anytime soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 9 hours ago, Edman85 said: So much of Rogers' value is wrapped up in his framing. It takes a huge hit if there is any semblance of robo-zone next year. That's true. If they were to resign Kelly, they would seem to be set at C for a few years with Kelly at however long he is signed and Rogers who can be held for 3 more seasons. Add in Dingler who can be added to the 40 and has minor league options, and maybe they would be comfortable at C. I don't know that sitting back on that as a default kind of position is wise, but maybe that continuity behind the plate with Fetter as coach and Skubal and Olson as a primary duo in the rotation can be foundational base for the other arms that will be in and out over the next few seasons. That might be particularly useful for the pitching prospects coming up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 11 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: ... how far you go to keep Kelly if you believe he will be a better catcher/hitter going forward If any decent-or-better prospect is offered for Kelly then trade him. Want him on the team from 2025 until... whenever (2 or 3 years)? Defer that decision until the offseason IMO. Trade him. Call up Dingler for the remaining season. Decide this offseason what to do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 I feel differently about Flaherty. If he were willing to sign an extension before the deadline and agreed to one with the Tigers, I would be good with that. If he were traded for a great package and we re-signed him in the offseason, I would be good with that too. The only thing being, there's a greater risk of losing him as a FA. I prefer the bird in the hand, and I would prefer Flaherty to be in our rotation for at least the next few years rather than not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 1 hour ago, casimir said: That's true. If they were to resign Kelly, they would seem to be set at C for a few years with Kelly at however long he is signed and Rogers who can be held for 3 more seasons. Add in Dingler who can be added to the 40 and has minor league options, and maybe they would be comfortable at C. I don't know that sitting back on that as a default kind of position is wise, but maybe that continuity behind the plate with Fetter as coach and Skubal and Olson as a primary duo in the rotation can be foundational base for the other arms that will be in and out over the next few seasons. That might be particularly useful for the pitching prospects coming up. Back to the Maeda point, it does not do this. If they decline in that time to become unplayable, you have not addressed the catcher situation and are stuck with somebody on the roster who shouldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 7 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Back to the Maeda point, it does not do this. If they decline in that time to become unplayable, you have not addressed the catcher situation and are stuck with somebody on the roster who shouldn't be. They signed Maeda to two years because they were betting that he would be good and he wasn't willing to sign for one year. The same would apply to Kelly. They aren't going to extend him if they expect him to become unplayable. I do agree they probably wouldn't go three years on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 the idea that there is a better catcher than Kelly out there that Harris is about to obtain is silly at best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tenacious D Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 2 hours ago, Edman85 said: Back to the Maeda point, it does not do this. If they decline in that time to become unplayable, you have not addressed the catcher situation and are stuck with somebody on the roster who shouldn't be. This is ridiculous. We should avoid signing players to more than a one year deal because they might decline? I’ll defer to our front office to make that determination. Not every signing/extension pans out, but that’s professional sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 11 Author Share Posted July 11 5 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: This is ridiculous. We should avoid signing players to more than a one year deal because they might decline? I’ll defer to our front office to make that determination. Not every signing/extension pans out, but that’s professional sports. Part of the thing in baseball is that because of the CBA structure, a lot of guys don't come to market until they are already close to their sell-by dates, and hitting is a skill that can disappear in a hurry when father time flips the right genetic switches for a guy. Enough guys start falling off the cliff at just about 32 that anyone over 30 might be a risk at over 2 yrs. A good number of hitters do get to 35 OK, but then past that anybody still performing well with a bat is going to be an outlier. Pitchers go a few years longer, but with them the constant risk is already so high that age doesn't add as much additional risk as for hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 It’s not as if Kelly is an offensive force. He’s adequate at best and a 2 year deal that goes sour, with the type of money he’d command, would not be crushing to any team’s payroll if you had to cut bait. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 11 Author Share Posted July 11 Kelly ranks 14th in wRC+ out of 34 catchers with >150PA at 104. Jake checks in at 28th (wRC+ = 79). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Kelly isn't Mike Piazza but in this day and age a catcher with a .740 OPS is nice offensive advantage. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Jobe and Erie are the free game of the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Arlington Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Jobe looked commanding in that K reel. A lot of foolish swings and misses on a slew of different pitches all over the zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 (edited) 12 hours ago, Edman85 said: Back to the Maeda point, it does not do this. If they decline in that time to become unplayable, you have not addressed the catcher situation and are stuck with somebody on the roster who shouldn't be. What are the odds Kelly becomes unplayable within two seasons? What kind of contract would he command? Edited July 12 by casimir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 1 hour ago, casimir said: What kind of contract would he command? LOL - IDK - but certainly a much better one now that he has 120 PA at 805 OPS than it would have been if it had been offered on May 4 when his OPS was <500! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 Lakeland loses 8-3. McGonigle ( 1/5 ), Clark ( 0/5 ) return to earth a bit. Toledo shut out, Tork 0/4, 2K - no hard contact. ☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 I have to say, I am enjoying the Tigers' season so much more now with Tork out of sight and out of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 8 hours ago, casimir said: What are the odds Kelly becomes unplayable within two seasons? What kind of contract would he command? The odds Kelly becomes unplayable within two seasons? 30-50%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 1 hour ago, Edman85 said: The odds Kelly becomes unplayable within two seasons? 30-50%? I honestly don’t know. I find myself flip flopping on Kelly. Two guaranteed seasons would be my end point. One thing that the Tigers have had the past few seasons is durability catching health. I don’t think they’ve dipped into 3rd catchers being called up much at all. At some point that string will break (pardon the pun). Neither Kelly nor Rogers are young, so a bit of a breakdown wouldn’t be too surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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