Tiger Cubs (notes on the minors)

[1984Echoes]

24 minutes ago, TigerNation said:

Yeah he signed at 16. He was less known publicly because the Tigers basically hid him from everyone else for a couple years before he signed. But yeah, he was just a lottery ticket, never really considered anything more than that.

A "5-tool" lottery ticket, IIRC.

[1984Echoes]

1 minute ago, Edman85 said:

My cynical guess is somebody else fell through so they threw more money at Campos to use up the bonus money and Avila wasn't creative enough to trade excess pool space away. Just a theory...

I don't think that's correct because they were following him for several years, basically "hid" him by not having him play in any games, and were targeting him for that bonus/ signing.

I thought Avila had some "Cuban Connection" that allowed them to do all this. In other words: Campos is an "Avila Special" with all the good and the bad that comes with that.

[LongLiveMaroth]

WM is tomorrow's free game of the day 

 

[Edman85]

I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't more moves across the system today. Some draft picks assigned to FCL or Lakeland. Maybe Franyerber up to Lakeland, Lee to Toledo, Hamm to Erie, Jobe to Toledo... just spitballing, but the draft pick signings and all start break seems like a good time to shake things up.

[LongLiveMaroth]

 

[Tenacious D]

3 hours ago, Edman85 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't more moves across the system today. Some draft picks assigned to FCL or Lakeland. Maybe Franyerber up to Lakeland, Lee to Toledo, Hamm to Erie, Jobe to Toledo... just spitballing, but the draft pick signings and all start break seems like a good time to shake things up.

You have a typo—think you meant Jobe to Detroit.

[1776]

3 hours ago, Edman85 said:

…Jobe to Toledo... just spitballing, but the draft pick signings and all start break seems like a good time to shake things up.

Toledo is in Charlotte next month. That would definitely be interesting. 

[LongLiveMaroth]

Toledo Mud Hens transferred RHP Wilmer Flores from the 7-day injured list to the 60-day injured list.

Not surprising but must be clearing spots 

[Shinzaki]

Dickson is 17...as he fills out, you hope he can stick at SS

[theroundsquare]

You're saying he's going to be a big dickson?

[LongLiveMaroth]

 

 

[Edman85]

56 minutes ago, LongLiveMaroth said:

Toledo Mud Hens transferred RHP Wilmer Flores from the 7-day injured list to the 60-day injured list.

Not surprising but must be clearing spots 

Yep.

As an FYI, you can only have 15 players in the system on the 60-Day IL. Flores is the 15th right now. I have them with 152 of 165 spots on the domestic reserve list filled, not including draft picks. Andrew Jenkins is due back from the 60 soon too, so roster spots are going to be tight.

[LongLiveMaroth]

Rainer comes in at 91 so Tigers have 6 in the top 100. 

 

[Edman85]

Doesn't look like mass promotions today...

[monkeytargets39]

41 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Yep.

As an FYI, you can only have 15 players in the system on the 60-Day IL. Flores is the 15th right now. I have them with 152 of 165 spots on the domestic reserve list filled, not including draft picks. Andrew Jenkins is due back from the 60 soon too, so roster spots are going to be tight.

You’d think Lange would end up there at some point too 

[1984Echoes]

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

Yep.

As an FYI, you can only have 15 players in the system on the 60-Day IL. Flores is the 15th right now. I have them with 152 of 165 spots on the domestic reserve list filled, not including draft picks. Andrew Jenkins is due back from the 60 soon too, so roster spots are going to be tight.

I would assume this is also the time, if we're getting guys back from the 60 and adding all the draftees that sign...

For back ends of rosters to be whittled down a bit...

[Edman85]

2 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said:

You’d think Lange would end up there at some point too 

He is already on the full season list. Doesn't count against the 15 limit but requires a serious surgery that takes a season to recover from.

[RatkoVarda]

Daniel Cabrera is on Restricted List; I guess that's like a limbo area before they release you to the wonderful world of selling life insurance?

[Tenacious D]

19 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

Daniel Cabrera is on Restricted List; I guess that's like a limbo area before they release you to the wonderful world of selling life insurance?

I think he and Bryant Packard are opening a diner together.

Sucks for hitters—at least failed starters get a crack at the bullpen.

[monkeytargets39]

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

He is already on the full season list. Doesn't count against the 15 limit but requires a serious surgery that takes a season to recover from.

Does going on the full season list free up a temporary 40 man roster spot to use like going on the 60 day DL?

[gehringer_2]

32 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

Daniel Cabrera is on Restricted List; I guess that's like a limbo area before they release you to the wonderful world of selling life insurance?

Does that mean he left the team so he wouldn't have to listen to them tell him he was cut?

Edited July 23 by gehringer_2

[Edman85]

13 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Does going on the full season list free up a temporary 40 man roster spot to use like going on the 60 day DL?

No, only frees up a spot on the Domestic Reserve List (a new list started in 2021 that limits how many players you can have on your minor league rosters)

[Edman85]

43 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

Daniel Cabrera is on Restricted List; I guess that's like a limbo area before they release you to the wonderful world of selling life insurance?

More than you ever wanted to know about the Restricted List. Straight from the rules.

 

"(A) If, without permission from a player’s Major League Club, a player fails, within 10 days of the opening of the player’s Club’s championship season, to report to, or contract with, the player’s Club, the player may be reported by the Club to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee for placement on the “Restricted List.” A player on the Restricted List shall not be eligible to play for any Major or Minor League Club.

(B) Before the start of the championship season but not before January 1, a Major League Club also may report for placement on the Restricted List any player, whether or not under contract for the current season, who has given the Club written or electronic notification that the player will not report until 30 days or more after the opening of the championship season. Requests to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee shall be accompanied by the notification which the Club received from the player.

(C) A player who violates a player contract or reservation may be reported to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee for placement on the Restricted List. A player on the Restricted List shall not be eligible to play with any Major or Minor League Club.

(D) The Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee may place a Major or Minor League Reserve List player on the Restricted List if the player’s Club certifies that unusual circumstances exist.

(E) Except with regard to players with outstanding suspensions that are required to be placed on the Restricted List upon signing with a new Club, Clubs may not report a player for placement on the Restricted List if at the time the Club signed the player the Club knew or should have known that the player would be unavailable to play for or report to the Club during the initial period of such placement.

(F) Player Limits. Players on the Restricted List shall not count against either the Reserve List or Active List limits. A player under a Major League Uniform Player’s Contract or Minor League Contract who has been reserved for two consecutive years on the Restricted List shall be omitted from further Reserve Lists and shall not be eligible to play until the player is first reinstated in accordance with Rule 2(c)(6)(L) (Reinstatement of Players). Upon reinstatement, the Major League or Minor League Club to which the player is reserved shall restore the player to the same status that the player had at the time when the player retired or became ineligible.

(G) Salary. A player on the Restricted List (i) shall not be unconditionally released, and (ii) shall not be entitled to salary while on any such list, nor after reinstatement from any such list, until such date (not exceeding 30 days after reinstatement) as the player is in condition to participate in championship games to the satisfaction of the player’s Club, unless the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee approves.

(H) Tenders and Renewals. A Club’s obligations to tender and renew a contract, as set forth in Paragraph 10(a) of the Major League Uniform Player’s Contract, shall apply with regard to any player who, at the applicable time, is on the Restricted List. Should a Club fail to so tender or renew a contract, the player shall become a free agent without any restrictions or qualifications, and the player shall be removed from the Restricted List. Notwithstanding the foregoing, a Player who properly has been placed on the Restricted List for a violation of the Joint Drug Program shall be eligible to become a free agent as provided in Article XX of the Basic Agreement, if otherwise qualified as set forth therein, but shall remain on the Restricted List until he completes his suspension.

(I) Reservations. A player on the Restricted List may be reserved as such for two consecutive years. At the expiration of that two-year period, the player need not be reported on the player’s Major or Minor League Club’s annual Reserve List and will automatically be transferred to a General Restricted List.

(J) Promulgation. Whenever a player is placed on the Restricted List, such fact shall be promulgated by the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee to all Major League Clubs in the form of a transaction bulletin.

(K) Assignment. The contract of a player on the Restricted List may be assigned, but the assignee Club shall assume all responsibility for the player’s reporting.

(L) Reinstatement of Players. (i) Application. Any player on the Restricted List may apply for reinstatement, or to have the player’s status changed, upon the conditions stated in this Rule 2(c)(6). Any Major or Minor League Club having a player on the Restricted List may apply for the player’s reinstatement. Such application shall be filed with the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee. An application for reinstatement may be granted upon such terms and conditions as the facts may warrant in the judgment of the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee. No Major League player on the Restricted List shall be reinstated during the period from August 1 to and including October 31, unless the Restricted List placement had followed a Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List placement pursuant to Rule 2(c)(2) (Major League Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List), had followed a Major League Paternity List Placement pursuant to Rule 2(c)(3) or had been made pursuant to the Major or Minor League Drug Treatment and Prevention Programs, or the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee has approved the reinstatement. No Minor League player on the Restricted List shall be reinstated during the period from August 1 until the conclusion of the Minor League championship season and playoffs, unless the Restricted List placement had been made pursuant to the Major or Minor League Drug Treatment and Prevention Programs, or the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee has approved the reinstatement. (ii) A Restricted List player shall be reinstated immediately upon receipt of application for reinstatement, in writing or by approved electronic means, from the player’s Major League Club. (iii) Player Limits. A player expected to be reinstated from the Restricted List between the mandatory Spring Training reporting date and the conclusion of the championship season is not required to be reinstated until such date (not exceeding 30 days after reporting to the Club as required by his contract) as the player is in condition to participate in championship games to the satisfaction of the player’s Club. Clubs are permitted to assign players to participate in Minor League games during this 30-day period, during which assignment such players shall remain on the Restricted List and receive neither salary nor service time. A player expected to be reinstated from such a List between the conclusion of a championship season and the mandatory spring training reporting date shall not count against the player limits of the Major or Minor League Club to which the player is reinstated until the fourteenth calendar day following reinstatement. (iv) Reinstatement Before Release. A Player on the Restricted List must be reinstated before the player can be released unconditionally.

[monkeytargets39]

17 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

No, only frees up a spot on the Domestic Reserve List (a new list started in 2021 that limits how many players you can have on your minor league rosters)

Gotcha.  I’m sure they could move him to the 60 Day in the future if they have a spot on it free and need the 40 man spot for any deadline moves then.  Seems like our roster move options are starting to really narrow down without starting to DFA/release people.

[Edman85]

1 minute ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Gotcha.  I’m sure they could move him to the 60 Day in the future if they have a spot on it free and need the 40 man spot for any deadline moves then.  Seems like our roster move options are starting to really narrow down without starting to DFA/release people.

They could but at the cost of service time and MLB salary. He's four days short of 3 years of service, so you are also talking about arb eligibility at that point.