LongLiveMaroth Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Toledo L 7-3 Tork 2/4 RBI HR Jung 0/4 Bigbie 0/4 2K Erie L 6-5 10 Innings Cruz 3/5 SB Workman 0/5 3K Jobe 4IP 3ER 5H 4BB 3K WM W 5-4 Clark 2/3 Anderson 1/4 2RBI K HR Campos 1/4 Liranzo 1/2 RBI 2BB K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Re Tork...if the K's are offset by more walks and a higher OBP...I'm OK with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, LongLiveMaroth said: Toledo L 7-3 Tork 2/4 RBI HR Jung 0/4 Bigbie 0/4 2K Erie L 6-5 10 Innings Cruz 3/5 SB Workman 0/5 3K Jobe 4IP 3ER 5H 4BB 3K WM W 5-4 Clark 2/3 Anderson 1/4 2RBI K HR Campos 1/4 Liranzo 1/2 RBI 2BB K I was at the WM/Ft Wayne game last night. We sat right in front of Max Clark's parents. They saw we had Tigers gear on and chatted with them a bit. Edited August 2 by Tigeraholic1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 13 hours ago, Shinzaki said: Tork...2 for 4 with another dinger...a 441 ft bomb to left center. Avg up to .250 with an .827 OPS. Will we see him in Detroit before September? I don't want to see Tork until spring training next year. I don't wanna see half-assed efforts at improving. I do want to see if he is 100% fully committed to being a better MLB player next year, in spring training... including fielding his position more seriously, as well as understanding what he needs to do with the bat to be successful against MLB pitchers. Adjustments included, or not. But definitely a better approach. I don't think he can get to that place this year. A stay in Toledo for a short while where he can essentially be the exact same as he was previously, 99%, and make a 1% minor tweak that earns him a "reprieve" is not enough, IMO. I want 100% commitment. I don't think we get to see that until 2025 spring training. He's either committed next year, and on the Opening Day roster... Or he's not any different or he's giving up or just not taking this MLB-thing seriously enough... and then I'd rather see Keith at 1B and Jung or Lee at 2B. Tork can stay in Toledo as a AAAA... if that's what he prefers. Until Harris can figure out some trade for him to send him off. Just my 2 cents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 What do you see in his current play that suggests he shouldn't be back until spring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 3 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: What do you see in his current play that suggests he shouldn't be back until spring? His current play is in Toledo, so I haven't seen him. What I saw in Detroit... just appeared to be... Lackadaisical? When I was watching him... it just didn't look like full effort. On the fielding side especially. But on offense, a refusal to make any adjustments to what MLB pitchers are trying to do to him, seems not only hard-headed, but... lazy. I don't believe in Tork anymore. I don't believe he's committed to being the best MLB player that he can be. I believe an off season to make a mental attitude adjustment is required. Maybe I'm 100% wrong in this "assessment". But I don't believe in him any more. Unless I see something different. If someone posts a Toledo video and says: "Look at what he's doing now" that says otherwise... Awesome, bring him back up. But I've already seen him hitting a HR. So that video... isn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theroundsquare Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 that homer was off an 82 mph slider if i'm understanding the screen correctly. the way i understand, the tigers wanted to see him hit velocity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 I saw a stat online that showed he was handling velocity. If he can help...he should be up here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeytargets39 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 I feel pretty confident in saying that if Tork was both not producing results AND not putting in perceived effort to try and get better that he would’ve been demoted earlier in the season and they would’ve made an effort to deal him for something at the deadline. The reality is much more likely to be that we promoted him through the system quickly, he doesn’t have experience making a lot of adjustments as a result, struggled with timing and then pitch recognition trying to compensate, and lost confidence. He has since been trying to retool his approach in Toledo and there are obvious positives and some collateral negatives that still need to be ironed out. i wouldn’t give up on Tork at this point, but it would be responsible for the organization to both exercise some patience with him for the rest of this year and also come up with a contingency plan for 1B if he can’t recover to be what we need him to be. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeytargets39 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 20 minutes ago, theroundsquare said: that homer was off an 82 mph slider if i'm understanding the screen correctly. the way i understand, the tigers wanted to see him hit velocity I’ve seen reports that he was hitting over .300 on fastballs in Toledo. I’ll have to find the source of that again, but there apparently has been improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theroundsquare Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 i haven't seen that; i wonder if the stat is "fastballs" or like, 95+. a toledo fastball ain't the same as a big league fastball, the duece's efforts notwithstanding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 3 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: His current play is in Toledo, so I haven't seen him. What I saw in Detroit... just appeared to be... Lackadaisical? When I was watching him... it just didn't look like full effort. On the fielding side especially. But on offense, a refusal to make any adjustments to what MLB pitchers are trying to do to him, seems not only hard-headed, but... lazy. I don't believe in Tork anymore. I don't believe he's committed to being the best MLB player that he can be. I believe an off season to make a mental attitude adjustment is required. Maybe I'm 100% wrong in this "assessment". But I don't believe in him any more. Unless I see something different. If someone posts a Toledo video and says: "Look at what he's doing now" that says otherwise... Awesome, bring him back up. But I've already seen him hitting a HR. So that video... isn't it. You can say a lot of things about Tork, but lazy and lackadaisical are definitely not among them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 (edited) Mud Hens longtime play-by-play announcer Jim Weber dies at 78 Edited August 2 by casimir 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 2 Author Share Posted August 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, theroundsquare said: i haven't seen that; i wonder if the stat is "fastballs" or like, 95+. a toledo fastball ain't the same as a big league fastball, the duece's efforts notwithstanding it was actually almost funny, the 1st week after he went down I don't think the Hens saw a single pitcher that threw more than 90, but that finally started to ever out. By my perusal of the gamedays, he has hit some velo. But my biggest complaint with Tork has been that I want to see him stop taking fastballs for called strikes - you can't hit 'em if you don't swing at 'em. Hard to tell without some stats collection whether he's being significantly more aggressive or not. Edited August 2 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 29 minutes ago, casimir said: Mud Hens longtime play-by-play announcer Jim Weber dies at 78 Did he work for the Mudhens this year? I like whoever the guy who does the TV broadcast. Having the MiLB TV feed I like his voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Longgone said: You can say a lot of things about Tork, but lazy and lackadaisical are definitely not among them. He's another Tony Clark. You can tell by his body language that he doesn't care enough. And when he he does hit, he never does anything when it matters. Watch. He'll come up in September and start mashing now that they are out of it. Edited August 2 by Tiger337 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 30 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Did he work for the Mudhens this year? I like whoever the guy who does the TV broadcast. Having the MiLB TV feed I like his voice. From the article: ”He was still an active member of the Mud Hens family at the time of his death, calling games as recently as Thursday. The organization sent thoughts and prayers to his family members in social media post Friday.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 2 Author Share Posted August 2 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Did he work for the Mudhens this year? I like whoever the guy who does the TV broadcast. Having the MiLB TV feed I like his voice. Yeah - I liked Weber. I guess working till the day you drop dead isn't the worst thing if you like your work and can still do it. Edited August 2 by gehringer_2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlington Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 I don't question Tork's dedication. I don't think he has the reflexes to be a major leaguer for long or at all. Not sure bio-physically what we are looking at. Maybe he lacks the needed fast-twitch muscle fibers. I have no idea. But I think the slow reactions make it look like he lacks enthusiasm. He's trying. I do like his homers. They make the park seem small, just like Fielder Sr. did. Maybe we should try him at third. (ha-just kidding) We do need his projected type in the line-up. Hope he can get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holygoat Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 7 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: I don't want to see Tork until spring training next year. I don't wanna see half-assed efforts at improving. Why are you so convinced that his efforts are half-assed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 27 minutes ago, holygoat said: Why are you so convinced that his efforts are half-assed? Unwillingness to make adjustments to what MLB pitchers are trying to do to him. I already called this a form of laziness. But also this (not half-assed, but maybe a physical inability due to lack of quick-twitchedness...?): 1 hour ago, Arlington said: ... I don't think he has the reflexes to be a major leaguer for long or at all. Not sure bio-physically what we are looking at. Maybe he lacks the needed fast-twitch muscle fibers. I have no idea. But I think the slow reactions make it look like he lacks enthusiasm... Maybe this... I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 (edited) 7 hours ago, theroundsquare said: i haven't seen that; i wonder if the stat is "fastballs" or like, 95+. a toledo fastball ain't the same as a big league fastball, the duece's efforts notwithstanding so tonight he is 2/2 + a sac fly: singe and double. Pulled the double to left at 109 EV off a 94mph FB. Sac fly pulled to left at 99 EV against 95 mph FB. Single up the middle at 102 EV against a 92 mph FB. So it's not like the ability isn't there - it's a matter of developing consistency and keeping the aggressive approach where he's hunting FBs. Edited August 3 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: so tonight he is 2/2 + a sac fly: singe and double. Pulled the double to left at 109 EV off a 94mph FB. Sac fly pulled to left at 99 EV against 95 mph FB. Single up the middle at 102 EV against a 92 mph FB. So it's not like the ability isn't there - it's a matter of developing consistency and keeping the aggressive approach where he's hunting FBs. Or maybe he DID do a "tweak" or "adjustment" in which he's getting his bat into the zone quicker... Whether that's shortening his time to load or his batting stroke to get into the zone faster... That IS a positive... In a couple of different ways... Need to see MORE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papalawrence Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 He got into an all-star zone post all-star game last season. He seems to be in another zone right now. Ripping the ball. Extreme streak hitter. I don't know.....regardless, it's good to see him making consistent, hard contact again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 16 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: Unwillingness to make adjustments to what MLB pitchers are trying to do to him. I already called this a form of laziness. But also this (not half-assed, but maybe a physical inability due to lack of quick-twitchedness...?): Maybe this... I don't know. Or maybe you both are just throwing out wild ass, baseless assumptions. 5 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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