Tiger Cubs (notes on the minors)

[papalawrence]

Very encouraging about Clark. Probably the best Tigers farm in decades.  Who else was coming up when they had Maybin and Miller? 

[RandyMarsh]

3 minutes ago, papalawrence said:

Very encouraging about Clark. Probably the best Tigers farm in decades.  Who else was coming up when they had Maybin and Miller? 

I remember Humberto Sanchez was ranked by some in the top 50 overall but he was traded for Sheffield, can't remember any other top 100 guys in that Maybin/Miller era. 

[monkeytargets39]

15 minutes ago, papalawrence said:

Very encouraging about Clark. Probably the best Tigers farm in decades.  Who else was coming up when they had Maybin and Miller? 

CALE IORG

[Arlington]

9 hours ago, chasfh said:

Saying that Al Avila sucked without saying the actual words “Al Avila sucked”.

LOL, and DD sucked too when it came to the draft.  He was able to sign a few like Porcello and Castellanos because he broke the rules and signed them well above slot.  DD's antics was probably a major impetus for the strict allotments today.

[Arlington]

I remember when they signed Humberto.   It was a pleasant surprise - a draft and follow.  He was projected to go pretty high in 2002 draft.  Baseball Reference's transaction line - June 5, 2001: Drafted by the Detroit Tigers in the 31st round of the 2001 amateur draft. Player signed May 27, 2002.  Here's a statistical oddity: Tigers traded Sanchez, Anthony Claggett, and Kevin Whelan to the Yankees for Sheffield in 2006.  Each pitcher eventually made it to the majors to pitch in two games for the Yankees: 2, 2.2, and 2.2 innings, respectively.   DD was great in the 2000s in obtaining contributing players for Tiger draft picks that never panned out.

[RandyMarsh]

Tigers at number 3 on Kiley McDaniels/ESPN latest system rankings. 

[monkeytargets39]

The nice thing about having a top 5 farm system in this instance is that most of them are in A ball, so aside from Jobe, we aren’t up there because of 2 or 3 prospects about to break into the bigs with nothing of note behind them.  The system has both quality and depth.

Edited Monday at 01:40 AM by monkeytargets39

[Edman85]

On 2/1/2025 at 11:28 PM, Arlington said:

LOL, and DD sucked too when it came to the draft.  He was able to sign a few like Porcello and Castellanos because he broke the rules and signed them well above slot.  DD's antics was probably a major impetus for the strict allotments today.

He didn't "break rules," and a lot of teams did that in that era.

[Arlington]

6 hours ago, Edman85 said:

He didn't "break rules," and a lot of teams did that in that era.

The slots weren't just suggestions. There were informal rules to adhere to the slots to control bonuses and most teams did so.  A few teams like Detroit, Boston and New York did not and treated the draft like open bidding when the opportunity arose.  For example, Porcello was the best arm in the 2007 draft but fell to the 27th round because of bonus demands which the Tigers met.  He was only available because the other teams were adhering to an informal strategy of not signing over slot.  Jacob Turner was considered the best prospect, a top 3 talent at the worse, but fell to the Tigers at number 9.  Andrew Miller was the best college pitcher but fell to the Tigers at 6th overall.   Castellanos, similar story.  I doubt the Tigers would have signed any of these players if there was open bidding and no informal restraint system was in place.  This must have infuriated other GMs and at their first chance in the 2011 collective bargaining agreement put the current system in place.

When you take away DD's over slot signings, he had a putrid draft record.  Then in the 2010s he lost a few 1st round and other early picks due to FA signings and did even worse.  Whatever talent he did come up with he quickly traded to fuel up the pennant runs of the early 2010s.

 

[ICroupier]

19 minutes ago, Arlington said:

The slots weren't just suggestions. There were informal rules to adhere to the slots to control bonuses and most teams did so.  A few teams like Detroit, Boston and New York did not and treated the draft like open bidding when the opportunity arose.  For example, Porcello was the best arm in the 2007 draft but fell to the 27th round because of bonus demands which the Tigers met.  He was only available because the other teams were adhering to an informal strategy of not signing over slot.  Jacob Turner was considered the best prospect, a top 3 talent at the worse, but fell to the Tigers at number 9.  Andrew Miller was the best college pitcher but fell to the Tigers at 6th overall.   Castellanos, similar story.  I doubt the Tigers would have signed any of these players if there was open bidding and no informal restraint system was in place.  This must have infuriated other GMs and at their first chance in the 2011 collective bargaining agreement put the current system in place.

When you take away DD's over slot signings, he had a putrid draft record.  Then in the 2010s he lost a few 1st round and other early picks due to FA signings and did even worse.  Whatever talent he did come up with he quickly traded to fuel up the pennant runs of the early 2010s.

 

"Informal rule" is an oxymoron

[Arlington]

26 minutes ago, ICroupier said:

"Informal rule" is an oxymoron

and our government actually has formal rules about informal rulemaking

 

 

[gehringer_2]

49 minutes ago, ICroupier said:

"Informal rule" is an oxymoron

 

22 minutes ago, Arlington said:

and our government actually has formal rules about informal rulemaking

and not to forget that that baseball ownership is a quintessential old boy's club, where the most important rules don't even show up in "informal" tallies.

[Arlington]

13 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

 

and not to forget that that baseball ownership is a quintessential old boy's club, where the most important rules don't even show up in "informal" tallies.

That's life.  That's why most of us don't fart at the dinner table, at least not in restaurants.

[Tenacious D]

 

[chasfh]

On 2/3/2025 at 11:22 AM, Arlington said:

That's life.  That's why most of us don't fart at the dinner table, at least not in restaurants.