Tenacious D Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, Edman85 said: I don't have nearly enough information to put one together that would be worth a damn. Of course. Based on your response, you’re in no place to be critical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 1 hour ago, LongLiveMaroth said: No Santana seems like a miss on this. I would put Santana over Campos. Other than that it's a fine list. Keith getting lots of love out there though. He was a 149 Wrc prior to getting hurt and at 20 years old so I get it but he should be in the top 3. Agree. He’s been called out on Twitter for Santana’s omission. Carpenter is interesting—is he the real deal or another Steven Moya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, SeattleMike said: Santana OPS by month since May: May: 711 June: 780 July: 859 For season 686 (shows you how awful his April was). How an 18-year-old playing at A ball (where he is the youngest position player in the league) with his profile is not listed on every Tigers top 10 prospect is mystifying. Every list I've seen by the Twitter Tiger prospect watcher class (ie. the Rogelio Castillo, Trevor Hooth types) seems to put him in the 12-13 range. Seems low to me as well The Pipeline list (which I believe Sam Dykstra does for the Tigers) is a good baseline... they aren't perfect, other outlets may be better, but on top of likely having more info, they don't have "Blue and Orange" glasses when curating, meaning more objectivity. And they have Santana at 4...maybe that changes in their post draft rerank some, but I doubt he leaves Top 10. I don't care if people do lists one way or another, it is all in good fun. But its important to put into context... BP or MLB Pipeline are likely going off more info and curate a list from a place of objectivity Edited July 23, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Of course. Based on your response, you’re in no place to be critical. Sure I am. I know from experience most of that crew is pretty clueless and actually detracts from the public discourse on Tigers prospects, and that list strays enough from the consensus without any particular reason behind it. It sucks. Prospects lists off the top of one's head without a ton of in-person scouting time or reasonable and well-filtered discussions with scouts and front office personnel are a waste of time and largely meaningless. By well-filtered, I mean being able to tell when you are being fed fluffy BS, which a lot of the current tigers twitter prospect person struggles with. Edited July 23, 2022 by Edman85 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Sure I am. I know from experience most of that crew is pretty clueless and actually detracts from the public discourse on Tigers prospects, and that list strays enough from the consensus without any particular reason behind it. It sucks. Prospects lists off the top of one's head without a ton of in-person scouting time or reasonable discussions with scouts and front office personnel are a waste of time and largely meaningless. Great—looking forward to your list in a month or so when you’re able to do your due diligence. I’ll remind you. In the meantime, I’ll enjoy reading other individual’s content for debate and discussion purposes (which is why most of us come here in the first place). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerNation Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, SeattleMike said: Santana OPS by month since May: May: 711 June: 780 July: 859 For season 686 (shows you how awful his April was). How an 18-year-old playing at A ball (where he is the youngest position player in the league) with his profile is not listed on every Tigers top 10 prospect is mystifying. A BB% of 15.2 is very encouraging. Not sure where he was on other lists, but fangraphs had him 5th in the pre season rankings, and I'd agree he's done nothing to really fall far off from that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Wenceel Perez has had a nice rebound this year and has recovered some prospect status, but ranking him #10 is pretty red-flaggy as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Dingler is in the lineup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 38 minutes ago, kdog said: Dingler is in the lineup: Tough as nails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 5 hours ago, mtutiger said: Wenceel Perez has had a nice rebound this year and has recovered some prospect status, but ranking him #10 is pretty red-flaggy as well. I think that the case for Perez is that he is only a year older than Jung, is raking at Double A, and can actually play second base. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Just now, Jim Cowan said: I think that the case for Perez is that he is only a year older than Jung, is raking at Double A, and can actually play second base. Wenceel just heard my comment, because he just went back to back homers with Quincy Neiporte in the Erie game lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 9 hours ago, SeattleMike said: Santana OPS by month since May: May: 711 June: 780 July: 859 For season 686 (shows you how awful his April was). That May figure is a little deceiving, too, as he only played 6 games during the month. But the .521 out of the gate in April really set up a deep hole to climb out from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) A couple of performers from tonight: Our 7th round pick from last year. Like all or most of the pitchers drafted, he didn’t see any game action in 2021. Assigned to High A, his numbers look excellent—he doesn’t get discussed much, but hopefully we have another Brieske on our hands. And he’s a lefty. Edited July 24, 2022 by Tenacious D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Wenceel, who has come up in discussion a few times today, is hitting better in Erie than he did in WM (his OPS is 50 points higher, though in half the AB’s). Need to emphasize that he’s only 22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 The one catcher in the system who looks like he can hit is Josh Crouch. No idea around his defensive skills, but looks like he could move up to Erie if Dingler gets called up to Toledo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 you guys off the dillon dingler bandwagon already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, buddha said: you guys off the dillon dingler bandwagon already? I’m not, but I do think he’s flawed. I actually see a lot of similarities with Jake Rogers (strong arm, solid defense, HR potential, high K rate). Neither look like a sure thing, so nice to have options at C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: A couple of performers from tonight: Our 7th round pick from last year. Like all or most of the pitchers drafted, he didn’t see any game action in 2021. Assigned to High A, his numbers look excellent—he doesn’t get discussed much, but hopefully we have another Brieske on our hands. And he’s a lefty. Love the numbers, but in an odd way they point out the disparity between hitting and pitching prospects in this org. He's been a AA talent pitching to A guys so far this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 minute ago, mtutiger said: Love the numbers, but in an odd way they point out the disparity between hitting and pitching prospects in this org. He's been a AA talent pitching to A guys so far this year Do you think he’s too old/advanced to be pitching in High A? I didn’t, considering this was his first professional experience. I guess we’ll see when he moves to Erie, either this season or next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Tenacious D said: Do you think he’s too old/advanced to be pitching in High A? I didn’t, considering this was his first professional experience. I guess we’ll see when he moves to Erie, either this season or next. Just my opinion (which may not be worth much), the assignments were right, but the results suggest he's more advanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 My mistake-Hurter had 10 starts in Lakeland before getting promoted to WM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 8 hours ago, buddha said: you guys off the dillon dingler bandwagon already? Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Perez and Crouch with HR's Tork 0/4. Javier Osorio with the rare line of 0/5 5K R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Dillon who? /s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Carpenter is 3/5 with a 2B. Honestly just call him up already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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