gehringer_2 Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: He's been up and down this year (OPS by month prior to July): April .815 May .572 June .891 And I thought he was in the low .600's in July... but he must have gotten hot the past week or so, so now he's up to G2's .806 OPS for July. I had written him off. But he fixed his swing last off-season and apparently it's taking.... He's trying desperately to regain his prospect status so... Yeah... he might make it to a Detroit stint before his brother gets back... He and Carpenter both with pretty dramatic recent reductions in K rate also. SSS anomaly, or something in the water in Toledo? Edited July 28, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: He's been up and down this year (OPS by month prior to July): April .815 May .572 June .891 And I thought he was in the low .600's in July... but he must have gotten hot the past week or so, so now he's up to G2's .806 OPS for July. I had written him off. But he fixed his swing last off-season and apparently it's taking.... He's trying desperately to regain his prospect status so... Yeah... he might make it to a Detroit stint before his brother gets back... Should be noted that May was his bump up to from High A to AA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Just now, gehringer_2 said: He and Carpenter both with pretty dramatic recent reductions in K rate also. SSS anomaly, or something in the water in Toledo? Meadows is still in Erie? He probably just struggled with the adjustment from High A to AA and has worked through it. Which is really an encouraging sign considering where he was a year ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 minute ago, mtutiger said: Meadows is still in Erie Sure. I wrote the K part initially about Carpenter and added Meadows to it without thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 7 hours ago, mtutiger said: Meadows is still in Erie? He probably just struggled with the adjustment from High A to AA and has worked through it. Which is really an encouraging sign considering where he was a year ago A-Hah! I wasn't paying attention to that part... Even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 8 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: He and Carpenter both with pretty dramatic recent reductions in K rate also. SSS anomaly, or something in the water in Toledo? Kreidler experienced the same last year after he was promoted to AAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Toledo W 3-0 Manning 5.2 6K 5H 2BB 0ER Cameron 1/4 Carpenter 0/4 2K Tork 0/3 1K Hill 2/3 2RBI Wi. Peralta 2H 3K SV Erie W 6-3 Flores 3IP 1ER 1BB 1K Meadows 4/4 4RBI HR Cabrera 2/5 Lipcius 0/3 1BB WM W 4 -1 Kreidler 0/4 BB Crouch 1/3 HR Madden 5IP 2H 2BB 4K Lakeland L 13-5 Jobe 3.1 7K 5R 2ER Campos 0/5 K Pacheco 1/1 BB (taken out of game not sure why) Sequera 2/4 RBI HR 3B Santana 1/5 3K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Perez on the IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Baseball Gods scouring the Tigers system "hmm this guy looks like he is having a good season time for him to get hurt and go on the IL" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 are we starting to get worried about tork yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, buddha said: are we starting to get worried about tork yet? no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 I am so weary of going through the phase where every player we touch turns to shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Im worried about Tork,if this was another organization maybe I wouldn't be but our track record of developing guys or fixing any problems isn't good to say the least so when I see a player struggle like he has it is concerning. It seems like he is struggling most with his bat speed which was one of the things that nobody was concerned about pre draft or early in the minors so I find it unlikely he would suddenly lose that speed in his early 20s. Im hoping that it comes out he has been playing with an injury all season and that is the cause of his problem. Of course I don't want anything major that could keep him out next year and beyond but something that can be fixed in the offseason and he will be ready to go by Spring Training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) I guess I would clarify to say that I am concerned about Tork to the extent that he had to be sent down in the first place. But 19 ABs since he's been in Toledo is a really small sample size and, as to his performance in AAA so far, my level of concern is unchanged at this point. Edited July 28, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 35 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I guess I would clarify to say that I am concerned about Tork to the extent that he had to be sent down in the first place. But 19 ABs since he's been in Toledo is a really small sample size and, as to his performance in AAA so far, my level of concern is unchanged at this point. im not worried because he was sent down, that was almost to be expected. im worried that he's sucked since he was sent down and is striking out a lot. at aaa. he should be dominating triple a. yeah yeah small sample size, but i'll be less worried when he starts hitting again. any day now would be a nice start... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 i think riley is going to be really good! there's some optimism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) The other thing about Tork that we don't know, as to his AAA assignment specifically, is whether he's working on his swing mechanics based on some of the comments made by AJ as to why he was sent down in the first place. Of course, that had been a frequent discussion on this board prior to his demotion. If he is, it wouldn't exactly be surprising if there were struggles early on.... but the results obviously need to surface in the long run regardless. Edited July 28, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Elvis Alvarado was promoted from West Michigan to Erie. This is a bit overdue. As a refresher, he's a converted outfielder, now a reliever who has some heat. The Tigers popped him in the Rule 5 draft this year. I believe he is free agent eligible after the year, so as he has been pitching very well in Lakeland and West Michigan, it makes sense to see if he can stick in Erie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 35 minutes ago, buddha said: im not worried because he was sent down, that was almost to be expected. im worried that he's sucked since he was sent down and is striking out a lot. at aaa. he should be dominating triple a. yeah yeah small sample size, but i'll be less worried when he starts hitting again. any day now would be a nice start... two things with Tork - yes the K's obviously, but the other is he needs to get the ball in the air more. Too often when he does barrel up a ball he doesn't get it over an IF's head - seems to make a lot of LD outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 I am very concerned about Tork. Too many times he would swing and miss and Dan Dickerson would say something to the effect of “ wow that was a middle middle cookie “ It seems he stayed in the zone and just wiffed. Often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCalTiger said: I am very concerned about Tork. Too many times he would swing and miss and Dan Dickerson would say something to the effect of “ wow that was a middle middle cookie “ It seems he stayed in the zone and just wiffed. Often. the thing with Tork is that if he doesn't get back to mashing against AAA pitching, it's going to be a pretty strong indication that the Tigers broke him. And if that's the case, it's one more piece of evidence that Avila or Ilitch needs to take serious look at what they think they are doing at COPA, because recently guys actually seem to hitting a little better everywhere else in the system. Couch, Meadows, Perez, Lipcius, Santana, Carpenter, Kreidler - plenty of examples of guys making at least incremental progress that stand in contradiction to the regression they are getting in Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) Something we have to keep in mind with Tork is that he's still only 22 years old and, in the grand scheme of things, we can conclude from what we have seen that they rushed him too fast and, because of it, it may have impacted his growth as a hitter. I'll freely admit that, along with most of the fanbase, I thought he should make the Opening Day Roster, but clearly that wasn't the case. I do think he can be fixed though (like others, I don't have much trust in the org, but in general, his problems seem fixable), but if he's making mechanical changes to his swing, it stands to reason that it may take a little time and may not yield desired results 19 ABs after being sent down. Edited July 28, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Tork is just a kid. We've seen he can be a hot head. We've seen he has a good eye but the umpire doesn't always make the right calls. He's going to have to make adjustments just like every other major leaguer in history. He was always the best guy on the field and now he's not. He needs to mature, lose the temper and recognize the umps call the balls and strikes. He has to focus on doing damage on pitches he's supposed to crush and have a short memory about the rest. I think he'll be fine. He was really impressive in the field at times. He's only 22, he'll figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 5 hours ago, buddha said: are we starting to get worried about tork yet? Nah, he had one season in the minors and they advanced him 3 levels and then pushed him into the big leagues. Hitting in the bigs is tough, lets see if he's tough enough to handle the failure and make adjustments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 The true failure in this case is Avila thinking they could compete with two rookies on the roster plus the rookies from last year as well. Avila could have signed a first baseman but he didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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