chasfh Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 I think JHM has a shot at OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 13, 2023 Author Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, chasfh said: I think JHM has a shot at OF. I guess it depends on how bad 'bad fielder' means. Almost no-one comes up from Toledo and is as good with the glove as his billing with maybe the exception of Parker Meadows, who does look exceptional out there. I would have to guess that means Malloy will be even worse than we suppose. I guess OTOH, Carpenter has not been as bad as his rep. Sure there are things he is pretty bad at which means he always fails the eye test. But his numbers argue he does enough ordinary stuff well enough not to be a serious liability (-2 Rdrs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I guess it depends on how bad 'bad fielder' means. Almost no-one comes up from Toledo and is as good with the glove as his billing with maybe the exception of Parker Meadows, who does look exceptional out there. I would have to guess that means Malloy will be even worse than we suppose. I guess OTOH, Carpenter has not been as bad as his rep. Sure there are things he is pretty bad at which means he always fails the eye test. But his numbers argue he does enough ordinary stuff well enough not to be a serious liability (-2 Rdrs) I almost wonder if he gets traded... He was in Toledo all season and didnt get a sniff at the majors.... its not like defense magically gets better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 13, 2023 Author Share Posted October 13, 2023 17 minutes ago, Toddwert said: I almost wonder if he gets traded... He was in Toledo all season and didnt get a sniff at the majors.... its not like defense magically gets better Your typical non-championship baseball FO, if they did want to trade him, would call him up ,to the majors first and hope he hits enough to burnish his trade value, and just endure 200 bad ABs if he doesn't. It's what the Tigers of yesteryear would have done. Soon enough we'll see what Harris does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Malloy currently represents the lone Harris -era option to be a lineup regular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Malloy currently represents the lone Harris -era option to be a lineup regular. If they dont get a 3rd Baseman Matt vierling might beat him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 If Malloy ends up starting for the Tigers at third base on March 28, either he’s had a defensive epiphany over the winter, or our plans at that position have gone very, very wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 There isn't much to go off, but in 382 innings in the outfield this year, J-HM had 6 assists, 2 errors, and one double play. He can at least hack it. https://www.fangraphs.com/players/justyn-henry-malloy/sa3017073/stats?position=3B/OF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 18 hours ago, Toddwert said: If they dont get a 3rd Baseman Matt vierling might beat him They have a 3rd baseman, but Jung won't be ready at the beginning of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 55 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said: They have a 3rd baseman, but Jung won't be ready at the beginning of the season. Unless they mother **** him like they did to Keith, he could be up quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 16 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Unless they mother **** him like they did to Keith, he could be up quickly. Harris already eluded to the fact that he hasn't played against AAA pitching, and needs experience playing 3rd base. I would be surprised if he's up in 2024 at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Haven't we learned our lesson with Greene and Torkelson? We bring up these guys when they are too young and not ready, to play on a mediocre team and burn through their years of control. Why? Yes they have had some individual success but also a lot of struggles. I think Harris has the right approach by not calling up players who are not ready. Counting on rookies is probably not a winning strategy. It's going to take time for all of our position players to develop. It will probably take a few years for some of them to establish themselves and some of them are just not going to make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 I’m not sure neither Greene nor Tork would have gone through similar growing pains, even with more service time. Both had made it to AAA. Hard to discern between important develop time and service time shenanigans, but I’m fine with a prudent approach. We’ll likely already have three rookies in the lineup at the beginning of next year, which is probably pushing things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Also... sometimes a player has learned all that they can, regardless whether it's AAA or AA. And the only way they are going to master, or learn, MLB, is to actually, you know... play in MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 14, 2023 Author Share Posted October 14, 2023 (edited) I don't think there is any particular evidence that Tork is behind where he would have been if he had spent more time in Toledo. He took a few hundred AB to acclimate to MLB pitching. There is no way to prove that a few hundred more MiLB AB would have made any difference to that process, and you can argue just as easily it would just have delayed him getting to where he is now. And Riley put up 1.4 WAR as a rookie in a little under 2/3 of a season. If you can play at at 2 WAR/season rate in the majors that is where you should be. The Covid years cost those two, but I have problem with when either of them was called up. Edited October 14, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Jobe is pitching tonight... if anyone is interested... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Keith and Malloy will be on the opening day roster. It's way way way too early for Jung, he might not play for the Tigers at all in 2024. I'm not sure that Dingler will ever play for the Tigers, or Wenceel. Bigbie still doesn't understand that he isn't a prospect, so if he hits at Toledo he might get a look in August. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 15, 2023 Author Share Posted October 15, 2023 3 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: Jobe is pitching tonight... if anyone is interested... Two Tigers combine for a 7-2 W. Jobe 4 IP 5H 2R 1ER 2BB 4K HR Flores 3IP 4H 0R, BB 2K 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 12 hours ago, Jim Cowan said: Keith and Malloy will be on the opening day roster. It's way way way too early for Jung, he might not play for the Tigers at all in 2024. I'm not sure that Dingler will ever play for the Tigers, or Wenceel. Bigbie still doesn't understand that he isn't a prospect, so if he hits at Toledo he might get a look in August. I can’t get behind way too early. Jung performed very well at AA—he should start next season in Toledo. Zach Neto is already playing in the league from his draft class. No issue with getting some PT in Toledo, but he’s already on the cusp of being ready. I’ll be bummed if we don’t see him by July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmitch55 Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 13 hours ago, Jim Cowan said: Keith and Malloy will be on the opening day roster. It's way way way too early for Jung, he might not play for the Tigers at all in 2024. I'm not sure that Dingler will ever play for the Tigers, or Wenceel. Bigbie still doesn't understand that he isn't a prospect, so if he hits at Toledo he might get a look in August. Bigbie will open for the Tigers. Keith and Malloy also. SKUBAL Mize Manning Olson and Hurter are your starters. We need a 3B. Jung for Coby Mayo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 51 minutes ago, Timmitch55 said: Bigbie will open for the Tigers. Keith and Malloy also. SKUBAL Mize Manning Olson and Hurter are your starters. We need a 3B. Jung for Coby Mayo Bigbie, if he makes it, is 2025. As it is, the Tigers already have 3 rookies penciled in for the start of the season (Meadows, Keith and Malloy). I suspect they will limit to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Tenacious D said: Bigbie, if he makes it, is 2025. As it is, the Tigers already have 3 rookies penciled in for the start of the season (Meadows, Keith and Malloy). I suspect they will limit to that. I don't see any possible way that Bigbie opens in Detroit, so in agreement here But I don't agree that they will have any "limit" on the number of rookies on the roster. I don't think they are afraid of turnover, or talent... so if Jung wins 3B in spring training, and Keith 2B, and Malloy LF... Then we're starting with 4 rookies on the opening day roster (including Parker as you've mentioned...); I think there were reasons for holding these guys in the minors this year, and not pushing them to MLB. But I don't think that will hold next spring training. IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 I don't believe Malloy is a lock to make the roster. If he has an unconvincing Spring, I could see them going with a Baddoo/Vierling Platoon to start the season. Keith should make it since he is rated a lot more highly and there are two positions open in the infield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 I agree with that as well... on Malloy. I just don't think they will shut out any rookie in spring training that shows enough to make the roster. But on Malloy... Remember, we no longer have a locked in DH. So there is room for Malloy to be a part-time OF'er and a lot-of-the-time DH... Even with competition from Baddoo/ Vierling on making the roster... And even with Greene maybe holding down DH for the most part the first month or two of the season. Wait: I think I just talked myself into Malloy needing to beat out at least Baddoo... otherwise, even if he has a good spring he may be squeezed on the opening day roster at least until Greene is more of an OF'er than a DH... Vierling can play anywhere... Baddoo & Malloy are mostly limited to LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 15, 2023 Author Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said: I don't see any possible way that Bigbie opens in Detroit, so in agreement here If a guy hits it changes a lot of possibilities. Now it's certainly granted that the bat we were seeing at the end of 2023 may not show up again next Spring. That's a better than even money chance with any minor leaguer who had a hot streak. But if it does you never want to say never. Edited October 15, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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