Tiger337 Posted September 25, 2021 Posted September 25, 2021 On 9/22/2021 at 3:29 PM, RandyMarsh said: Keith Law picked his minor league awards and he gave player of the year to Witt followed by Adley. After them to be had a "other players of notes" portion and Greene was the first guy listed. He was pretty complimentary of him saying that his defense in center is better than he expected and said he could see him staying there atleast for the next few seasons. Said you could make the case he was better offensively than Witt and Adley but he picked them cause of their position and added defensive value. Unless I missed it I didn't see anything on Tork. Statistically, Torkelson seems closer to being ready because Greene's K rate is so high. I am excited about Greene too, but I just have a feeling Tork will be ready sooner. Quote
RandyMarsh Posted September 25, 2021 Posted September 25, 2021 Another Tork bomb, yesterday he hit one about 450ft to straight away center now he effortlessly takes one to right. Quote
1984Echoes Posted September 25, 2021 Posted September 25, 2021 And hit the upper deck with it. As someone said previously... he doesn't hit cheap HR's. I think he'll be an extra-base machine in Comerica. Lots of doubles and HR's... Quote
gehringer_2 Posted September 25, 2021 Author Posted September 25, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Statistically, Torkelson seems closer to being ready because Greene's K rate is so high. I am excited about Greene too, but I just have a feeling Tork will be ready sooner. When we saw Greene is ST he seemed to have great plate discipline. I still wonder if he is being to coached to stay on the overly aggressive side because they want him to learn what he can hit more than they care if he Ks more than he might at this point in his development. Edited September 25, 2021 by gehringer_2 Quote
Archie Posted September 25, 2021 Posted September 25, 2021 It would be nice if Tork could go north with the team out of Spring Training. If he can share 1B and DH with Miggy then Schoop can stay at 2nd. I don't like Schoop at 1B. Quote
RandyMarsh Posted September 25, 2021 Posted September 25, 2021 Unless they sign some stop gap 1st baseman like a Cron, Rizzo etc.(Don't expect them to just saying) then there really isn't any reason that Tork shouldn't be here next year from the start. If he isn't then that will definitely put out the vibe that they are being cheap and delaying his clock cause from a performance standpoint you can't make an argument that he shouldn't be on the team. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted September 25, 2021 Author Posted September 25, 2021 If Tork goes to the AFL and hits for average that will be a resume piece that should help going into 22. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted September 26, 2021 Author Posted September 26, 2021 The other interesting thing about Greene is that he has been completely unaffected but the change in levels. His BA, slugging, walk rate, K rate - everything is virtually identical at Toledo to what it was at Erie. You would expect the upgrade in the pitching faced to have some effect - but it hasn't. Quote
1984Echoes Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 Tork with another HR. He's finishing the season strong after hitting a pretty big lull at the end-of-August/start-of-September... Quote
1984Echoes Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 I think both Tork and Greene will leave 2022 ST on the 25... unless the team plays with CBA issues for a month or so... But other than that... I can see the team breaking ST with both of them... and just going through the normal "growing pains" of rookies hitting MLB... Quote
1984Echoes Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 Actually... Tork's BA/OPS for September was .267/ .971... Before today. Before a double and HR in his 1st two PA's today (plus whatever else happens the rest of the game...). Quote
1984Echoes Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 I also think Aderlin Rodriguez should be given a shot as a backup... Maybe in 2022 of course, too late for this year... Not certain how his fielding is... it could be pretty crappy... And he may have no chance unless Tork is not ready out of ST... Or Miggy retires (after he gets his 3,000-600-500 that is...). He would be 1B/DH/3B/PH'er off the bench backup? Just my 2 cents. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted September 30, 2021 Author Posted September 30, 2021 Greene and Torkelson still finishing well. 2/4 for Greene tonight, 1/3 2B for Tork. OPS 904 and 877 respectively. Quote
SoCalTiger Posted September 30, 2021 Posted September 30, 2021 10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Greene and Torkelson still finishing well. 2/4 for Greene tonight, 1/3 2B for Tork. OPS 904 and 877 respectively. Thanks again for your season long daily minor league summaries. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 1, 2021 Author Posted October 1, 2021 Riley pushes his AAA BA up to 307 tonight with a 3/4 2B; Tork 1/4; Kreidler also with a double. Leiter with 8IP gave up only 2 hits but one was a 2 run HR. 1BB, 9K. Hens with only one hit beyond those noted, end up shut out 2-0. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 1, 2021 Author Posted October 1, 2021 11 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: Thanks again for your season long daily minor league summaries. your welcome! Quote
TigerNation Posted October 1, 2021 Posted October 1, 2021 On 9/25/2021 at 5:17 PM, gehringer_2 said: When we saw Greene is ST he seemed to have great plate discipline. I still wonder if he is being to coached to stay on the overly aggressive side because they want him to learn what he can hit more than they care if he Ks more than he might at this point in his development. His walk is 11%, so his strikeout rate being high isn't because he's being too aggressive. He's either not aggressive enough and takes too many strikes, or he is swinging and missing a bit much, or some combo of the both. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 1, 2021 Author Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, TigerNation said: His walk is 11%, so his strikeout rate being high isn't because he's being too aggressive. not following your argument here. You are positing he can't have a higher walk rate if he were less aggressive? Or something else? Edited October 1, 2021 by gehringer_2 Quote
casimir Posted October 1, 2021 Posted October 1, 2021 MLB BB% is 8.7% this season. Not sure how Greene's 11% translates to the big league, but do with the 8.7% what you will. Quote
TigerNation Posted October 1, 2021 Posted October 1, 2021 8 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: not following your argument here. You are positing he can't have a higher walk rate if he were less aggressive? Or something else? Im saying it's unlikely he's striking out so much because he's too aggressive at the plate. Players who have plus walk rates are almost never over aggressive chasing pitches out of the strike zone. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 1, 2021 Author Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, TigerNation said: Im saying it's unlikely he's striking out so much because he's too aggressive at the plate. Players who have plus walk rates are almost never over aggressive chasing pitches out of the strike zone. OK - I wasn't sure if you were arguing he walk rate was high or low in this context. The counter arg would be that he is capable of walking at an even higher rate and is thus still being more aggressive than he *might* be. I'm not arguing that is true but he does seem to be a rare talent so we may need to hold open the possibility we underestimate him to project from league average values. All that said, having just turned 21 a few days ago, it's most likely he is still learning what he can't hit and he will likely also gain the strength to get the bat to more balls he sees well enough but doesn't reach now. Quote
Cruzer1 Posted October 1, 2021 Posted October 1, 2021 On 9/26/2021 at 3:14 PM, 1984Echoes said: I also think Aderlin Rodriguez should be given a shot as a backup... Maybe in 2022 of course, too late for this year... Not certain how his fielding is... it could be pretty crappy... And he may have no chance unless Tork is not ready out of ST... Or Miggy retires (after he gets his 3,000-600-500 that is...). He would be 1B/DH/3B/PH'er off the bench backup? Just my 2 cents. No room to carry him over the winter. He'll be a free agent again, there's no room for him in Detroit. Toledo maybe, but not Detroit. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 2, 2021 Author Posted October 2, 2021 30 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Greene homers off Beau Burrows This could really be fun. The Tigers haven't hit on a really great player since Verlander - we're due. Quote
1984Echoes Posted October 2, 2021 Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Cruzer1 said: No room to carry him over the winter. He'll be a free agent again, there's no room for him in Detroit. Toledo maybe, but not Detroit. I'm perfectly fine with him at Toledo. Once Miggy retires, he might just be that extra bat that Randy Marsh is pining for... Quote
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