LongLiveMaroth Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 Another day, another list this time we have 4 in the top 100 albeit in the later half. https://www.baseballprospectus.com/prospects/article/79861/2023-prospects-the-top-101/ Quote
mtutiger Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 2 hours ago, LongLiveMaroth said: Another day, another list this time we have 4 in the top 100 albeit in the later half. https://www.baseballprospectus.com/prospects/article/79861/2023-prospects-the-top-101/ Jung 86, Flores 87, Jobe 91, Keith 98 In the grand scheme of things, despite the difference between BA and BP lists, it's possible the lists may not even be that different and Flores/Jung/Keith might be just outside of BA's list. Part of why it is pointless to get hung up on the total within the Top 100 of any list... if a prospect is ranked 99 and another is ranked 104, is the difference really that big? 4 Quote
microline133 Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 The difference between 60 and 140 generally isn't that big, let alone a few spots. 4 1 Quote
casimir Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 My amateurish guess is that the way to envision prospects and their future values is more along the shape of a triangle such that the upper prospects are few and far between and as you descend from one tier to the next, the population of similarly skilled players expands. So, just for grins, the top 3-5 prospects are a tier, then you've got another dozen that are about the same, then another 25 that make up the next group, and on and on. But a lot of folks like to get focused on cardinal ordering rather than relative grouping. Quote
mtutiger Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 Kinda surprised that Wenceel cracked this list... Quote
Tenacious D Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: But pleased nonetheless... Deservedly so—he’s legit. Was only 22 at Erie last season. Quote
1984Echoes Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Tenacious D said: Deservedly so—he’s legit. Was only 22 at Erie last season. I'd like to see him, as early as possible this season, push Schoop out the door. Quote
Tenacious D Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 Just now, 1984Echoes said: I'd like to see him, as early as possible this season, push Schoop out the door. Yes. Hoping All-Star break. If he shows anything at Toledo, he’ll get the chance. 1 Quote
mtutiger Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 I dont know if Wenceel ultimately ends up an everyday ML player or not, but really you can't ask much more from the new player development folks (including those hired under Avila) than to salvage some value out of the previous regime's players. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 23, 2023 Author Posted January 23, 2023 On 1/20/2023 at 1:19 PM, mtutiger said: I dont know if Wenceel ultimately ends up an everyday ML player or not, but really you can't ask much more from the new player development folks (including those hired under Avila) than to salvage some value out of the previous regime's players. You have to imagine imagine Perez' and Lipcius' K good rates have the attention of the new regime. Quote
mtutiger Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 Colt Keith at 8 in MLB Pipeline's 3B rankings 1 Quote
chasfh Posted January 30, 2023 Posted January 30, 2023 On 1/18/2023 at 4:33 PM, Cruzer1 said: Caputo got mad that everybody was just asking about Cody Ross, said he was a 4A player. Oh, the good times. Man, I’d forgotten how good that guy was once he played for a team that knew what to do with him. Quote
RatkoVarda Posted January 30, 2023 Posted January 30, 2023 Law's Top 100: Jobe and Jung in 80s; Lawler at 9; Mayer 11 Quote
Stanley70 Posted January 30, 2023 Posted January 30, 2023 And Cam Collier at 17. I'm sure Avila and Co. went with Jung because he was closer to the majors. Collier was a HS guy and Jung was 21 when drafted. Collier was rated above Jung prior to the draft, although it was fairly close. Just another example IMO of them passing on a higher ceiling guy because they didn't want to wait. Although giver their track record of of developing hitters they probably factored that in. Quote
Tenacious D Posted January 30, 2023 Posted January 30, 2023 I think the one to watch as it pertains to Jung is Zach Neto, who went one pick after him. Quote
Edman85 Posted January 30, 2023 Posted January 30, 2023 They should have kept Greene down until August so he would show up in prospect lists. 1 1 Quote
LongLiveMaroth Posted January 30, 2023 Posted January 30, 2023 I was perusing Keith Law's chat and saw these 3 comments in a row. I think it provides context on how ridiculous fan bases are and how subjective some of the numbers are. I really only enjoy them in the offseason because honestly I can only handle discussion on why we didn't bring up Trayce Thompson for so long. That being said I love that everyone thinks Keith Law hates their team. Quote
mtutiger Posted January 30, 2023 Posted January 30, 2023 38 minutes ago, LongLiveMaroth said: I was perusing Keith Law's chat and saw these 3 comments in a row. I think it provides context on how ridiculous fan bases are and how subjective some of the numbers are. I really only enjoy them in the offseason because honestly I can only handle discussion on why we didn't bring up Trayce Thompson for so long. That being said I love that everyone thinks Keith Law hates their team. I thought it was interesting that the Braves, Astros and Blue Jays (all generally considered better systems than the lowly Tigers) all have less guys on Law's list. Once again proving the limited utility of Top 100 lists. Quote
RatkoVarda Posted January 30, 2023 Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, LongLiveMaroth said: I was perusing Keith Law's chat and saw these 3 comments in a row. I think it provides context on how ridiculous fan bases are and how subjective some of the numbers are. I really only enjoy them in the offseason because honestly I can only handle discussion on why we didn't bring up Trayce Thompson for so long. That being said I love that everyone thinks Keith Law hates their team. I have not read the whole article but was surprised by how often positive Law was about lots of guys, sometime gushing about their potential. Always best to bet against guys because most of them will fail/flail. Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/20/2023 at 12:59 PM, mtutiger said: Kinda surprised that Wenceel cracked this list... He's only 23. Seems like he's been around forever. Do you think Al Avilla is calling Dave Dombrowski and saying "Hey Dave, did you see, 4 of mine are on the list, imagine what I could do for the Phillies !" Quote
1984Echoes Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 53 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: He's only 23. Seems like he's been around forever.... We signed Wenceel in 2015 when he was 16... Quote
Edman85 Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: He's only 23. Seems like he's been around forever. Do you think Al Avilla is calling Dave Dombrowski and saying "Hey Dave, did you see, 4 of mine are on the list, imagine what I could do for the Phillies !" Avila has his mind on other things tonight. Quote
Shinzaki Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 ESPN's McDaniel has his top 100 out. Keith is at 75, Wilmer Flores is at 90. No Jobe (Mayer is #7) and no Jung (his brother is #38). Ranking Flores above Jobe is.....odd in my view. Quote
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