buddha Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 27 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I mean, the Redskins won the division with a 7-9 record. Lets put it in a little perspective. I'm also not ready to say Sheila is the same as Willie Clay Ford. So far, she has done things differently than her father. I have more confidence in Sheila going forward than Snyder. i agree that sheila is not the same as wcf. wcf was incompetent and sheila appears to be not incompetent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 I think comparing owners is very difficult because there are so many different shapes, sizes, and styles that an owner can come in. William Clay Ford was one of the worst owners in professional sports history. I’m not prepared to say the same for the entirety of the Ford family, because I don’t think Sheila has done nearly enough to say one way or the other if she’s good or bad. I think she has done enough to say that she’s not her father though. Many people would call Robert Kraft one of the best owners in the NFL. Why? Because he happens to employ Bill Belichick? Further, how do you compare say Jerry Jones with Shadid Khan? Their styles of ownership are night and day. Its easy on the surface to just compare ownership records, but at the same time if Jones wasn’t so meddling in football operations could they have won a lot more? See Steve Biscotti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley70 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) I think you can break the Lions ownership into era's. The Russ Thomas era where they were clearly not even trying to win. Thomas' old school pre-free agency GM style ran off good coaches, scouts, and players. Then in the 80's they began to try, but WCF was so inept he failed constantly. It didn't help they would jump from a players coach in Fontes, to a crazy dictator type in Bobby Ross. Then back to a players coach in Mariucci, and so on. When it came to finding a GM they had no idea what they were doing, and resorted to having a league dinosaur do it for them. And he had no idea how to assess how a GM was performing which explains how Matt Millen lasted as long he did. What I believe, or hope, is different now is that first WCF is gone. Second the new owner understands she is not football savvy and brought in a football guy, Speilman, to oversee the operation. Not an accountant, a Ford Exec, drinking buddy, etc. So if a GM is failing he can spot that quicker and not give bad GM's 5-7 years to run the team into the ground. And hopefully instill a culture and retain good people and weed out those that don't perform. It may not work but it can't get worse. Edited January 19, 2022 by Stanley70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I just thought of something. Is Matt Millen the only GM that Willie Clay Ford fired? Russ Thomas retired. Chuck Schmidt was technically the GM but I guess Fontes and Ross where really pulling the strings. Ross did end up resigning but was Schmidt ever fired? There were technically only three GMs in the near 50 years WCF owned the team. I do believe Martha did the best she could but we were asking a lot from someone over 90 years old to just jump in and turn around a franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, Stanley70 said: Not an accountant, a Ford Exec, drinking buddy, etc. LOL - sadly spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Now that I think all coaches and GMs have been fired who will be, I'll lay my stake to what will probably only be one or two correct if I am lucky: Jaguars HC: Byron Leftwich (Bucs OC) Texans HC: Jerod Mayo (Patriots LB Coach) Vikings HC: Kevin O'Connell (Rams OC) Vikings GM: Monti Ossenfort (Titans Director of Player Personnel) Raiders HC: Nathanial Hackett (Packers OC) - followed soon thereafter by Aaron Rodgers Raiders GM: Ed Dodds (Colts Assistant GM) - along with something funky like an ownership stake Dolphins HC: Eric Bienemy (Chiefs OC) Bears HC: Matt Eberflus (Colts DC) Bears GM: Morocco Brown (Colts Director of College Scouting) Giants HC: Doug Pederson (Former Eagles HC) Giants GM: Ryan Poles (Chiefs Executive Director of Player Personnel) Broncos HC: Brian Flores (Former Dolphins HC) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 And the QB Carousel for Week One 2022: AFC East Patriots: Mac Jones Jets: Zach Wilson Dolphins: Tua Tagovailoa Bills: Josh Allen AFC North Ravens: Lamar Jackson Steelers: Russell Wilson Bengals: Joe Burrow Browns: Baker Mayfield AFC South Colts: Matt Corral / Teddy Bridgewater Jaguars: Trevor Lawrence Titans: Ryan Tannehill Texans: Kenny Pickett / Davis Mills AFC West Chiefs: Patrick Mahomes Raiders: Aaron Rodgers Chargers: Justin Herbert Broncos: Jimmy Garoppolo NFC East Cowboys: Dak Prescott Football Team: Derek Carr Eagles: Jalen Hurts / Cam Newton Giants: Sam Howell NFC North Lions: Jared Goff Vikings: Kirk Cousins / Brock Purdy Bears: Justin Fields Packers: Jordan Love NFC South Bucs: Tom Brady Falcons: Matt Ryan / Malik Willis Panthers: Daniel Jones / Desmond Ridder Saints: Deshaun Watson NFC West Rams: Matt Stafford Seahawks: Carson Wentz / Carson Strong 49ers: Trey Lance / Drew Lock Cardinals: Kyler Murray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Houston must be desperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 The Josh McDaniels love never ceases to amaze me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said: The Josh McDaniels love never ceases to amaze me. what about the josh mccown love? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, buddha said: what about the josh mccown love? Lol damn 🤣 totally misread that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said: Now that I think all coaches and GMs have been fired who will be, I'll lay my stake to what will probably only be one or two correct if I am lucky: Jaguars HC: Byron Leftwich (Bucs OC) Texans HC: Jerod Mayo (Patriots LB Coach) Vikings HC: Kevin O'Connell (Rams OC) Vikings GM: Monti Ossenfort (Titans Director of Player Personnel) Raiders HC: Nathanial Hackett (Packers OC) - followed soon thereafter by Aaron Rodgers Raiders GM: Ed Dodds (Colts Assistant GM) - along with something funky like an ownership stake Dolphins HC: Eric Bienemy (Chiefs OC) Bears HC: Matt Eberflus (Colts DC) Bears GM: Morocco Brown (Colts Director of College Scouting) Giants HC: Doug Pederson (Former Eagles HC) Giants GM: Ryan Poles (Chiefs Executive Director of Player Personnel) Broncos HC: Brian Flores (Former Dolphins HC) brian dabold in buffalo is getting an hc job somewhere. i think he'd be the bears' first choice over eberflus, but he is a candidate too. dabold worked with josh allen, a big mobile qb with raw talent but not a lot of pro offense experience and turned him into a star. and the bears have a certain justin fields who is the future of their franchise... but the bears are pretty dumb about picking head coaches so you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 8 hours ago, buddha said: brian dabold in buffalo is getting an hc job somewhere. i think he'd be the bears' first choice over eberflus, but he is a candidate too. dabold worked with josh allen, a big mobile qb with raw talent but not a lot of pro offense experience and turned him into a star. and the bears have a certain justin fields who is the future of their franchise... but the bears are pretty dumb about picking head coaches so you never know. He definitely should get a job. The Bears really should be an ideal match, but as you said, they’re pretty dumb. It feels like every year a top candidate ends up without a job, and I guess that’s where I see Daboll being after this cycle. I had him landing with the Vikings for a little when I was making this, but when l saw that they hadn’t even requested to interview him yet, I backed off that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Giants are hiring Joe Schoen as GM. I have to imagine Daboll will be a front runner for the Giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 The Texans looked to be a franchise on the rise. They are crashing and burning right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Caldwell rejected interview requests with the Raiders and Vikings. He has Interview with Jacksonville and Chicago. It could mean he feels he's getting one of those jobs. It could also mean he doesn't like the Vikings or Raiders jobs. The Bears and Jaguars both have young QBs and the Vikings and Raiders have QBs with only one year left on their contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Caldwell rejected interview requests with the Raiders and Vikings. He has Interview with Jacksonville and Chicago. It could mean he feels he's getting one of those jobs. It could also mean he doesn't like the Vikings or Raiders jobs. The Bears and Jaguars both have young QBs and the Vikings and Raiders have QBs with only one year left on their contract. I agree that think it might have to do with Jacksonville and Chicago having Lawrence and Fields, while Las Vegas and Minnesota have Carr and Cousins. Looking at who the Raiders and Vikings have interviewed though, it could also be he felt they were trying to just use him to satisfy the Rooney Rule. I think he'd do well in Jacksonville. I think he'd do poorly in Chicago. Edited January 21, 2022 by MichiganCardinal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagnam Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: The Texans looked to be a franchise on the rise. They are crashing and burning right now. Dancing’ Jack Easterby! Trying to get himself a super religious coach he can manipulate to join the flock. If any of y’all ever go to Houston please avoid any and all koolaid. Edited January 21, 2022 by sagnam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: Caldwell rejected interview requests with the Raiders and Vikings. He has Interview with Jacksonville and Chicago. It could mean he feels he's getting one of those jobs. It could also mean he doesn't like the Vikings or Raiders jobs. The Bears and Jaguars both have young QBs and the Vikings and Raiders have QBs with only one year left on their contract. IIRC, didn't Caldwell fancy himself as something of a QB whisperer? I seem to remember he came to the Lions interview and sold the front office on all his talk of what he could do and how he could mentor Stafford. That would seem to fall in line with your thinking that he'd be interested in jobs with a young QB that he can bring along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, RedRamage said: IIRC, didn't Caldwell fancy himself as something of a QB whisperer? I seem to remember he came to the Lions interview and sold the front office on all his talk of what he could do and how he could mentor Stafford. That would seem to fall in line with your thinking that he'd be interested in jobs with a young QB that he can bring along. Or he has just figured out that coaching teams without quality and stability at QB is a loser! 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: The Texans looked to be a franchise on the rise. They are crashing and burning right now. It all seemed to start with the rift between Rick Smith and Bill O'Brien. They had built a good thing in Houston, but when Bill O'Brien told ownership that it was him or Smith, and they chose Bill, it's been all downhill from there. That was also around the time that Bob McNair was still running the team as owner but was in ailing health. Now it seems the McNairs want to own the team to say they own an NFL team, but have no interest in actually running an NFL team. Janice McNair attends all NFL owners meetings but has nothing to do with operations of the team. Cal McNair is the President and CEO, but seemingly by title only, as Jack Easterby and Nick Caserio (of all people) have about as much power as any executives in the NFL, without having proven jack. It's really bizarre. I would much rather have Sheila than that cluster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 I wonder if Jerry Jones plans to offer Kellen Moore the head job if he gets an offer elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Odell Beckham Sr. is the best agent in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MichiganCardinal Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Yesterday's news, but I missed it while dancing on the Packers grave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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